Does your doc have your best interests in mind?

[TexasHusker]

I think spinal manipulation has its advantages, as I said it helps me with a chronic problem that had already been checked out in the past by an orthropod and a neurosurgeon. Now if my sciatica made my foot numb and I couldn't pee, you'd see me at the neurosurgeon's pronto. I don't think you can begin to compare a chiro to a neurosurgeon. But when simple spinal manipulation will do the trick, I see nothing wrong with that. You are responsible for monitoring your symptoms and at the very least choose the right specialist or see your primary and get a referral to the appropriate care giver from them.

when I first experienced sciatica, I had the month of conservative treatment disneysteve mentioned, meds, PT, avoiding sitting for long periods, etc. No one did an xray or MRI right away because the majority of back problems get better with conservative treatment in 4-6 weeks. When I was still having problems, I was worked up. My orthropod recommended my chiro in the end.

Your MD did not do this because he believed in chiropractic care, but he thought you might. It worked. The mind is a powerful thing.

[FLA]

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[FLA]

Actually, he was my friend's dad and a family friend, he was not passing me off to get me out of his office or didn't believe I was in pain. When PT didn't help and I was cleared by neuro, he suggested a good chiro, try it once and see. It helps and it's not a placebo. The sciatic pain is very real and takes 6 weeks to go away if I don't go in for manipulation. With manipulation, I am fine within a week. When this happens, my hips are out of alignment and one leg appears longer than the other. After manipulation, I can once again stand up straight and my hips are back in alignment. Not a placebo and not in my head. There is a place for chiros in the medical field

[Captain Save]

Question all you want, but when you infer that Big Pharma doesn't want to find cures, you're going to get some chuckles, because that is utter stupidity.

Same for claiming a chiropractor has superior knowledge of the nervous system to that of a neurologist. Do you know how little education chiros even get? A big part of that is that there is nothing to teach, and even less to learn! Research the annals of "Doctor" Palmer, the founder of chiropractic. He basically admits as much. It's a racket.

Here is a good read that exposes the whole thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chir..._and_criticism

there is no incentive for big pharma to find cures... that is a fact.. what the intentions of big pharma is opinion .. the fact remains that treating diseases is more profitable than curing diseases

Again.. why can't you disagree without putting words in my mouth .. I never said chiro's have superior knowledge of the nervous system.. chiros study the spine to help your body heal better.. but they sure can't save your life if you're about to die .. .

[disneysteve]

I never said chiro's have superior knowledge of the nervous system.

You might want to reread your first post. That's exactly what you said.

[Captain Save]

You might want to reread your first post. That's exactly what you said.

that' is not exactly what I said but reading it I can see how it can interpreted that way .. so let me be clear ... If I some sort of trauma. .such as a brain injury .. I'm seeing an MD.. if I have an ongoing issue with my spine ..I'm seeing a chiropractor..

That does not make their knowledge "superior" .. just a different focus ..

[GoodSteward]

Question all you want, but when you infer that Big Pharma doesn't want to find cures, you're going to get some chuckles, because that is utter stupidity.

Same for claiming a chiropractor has superior knowledge of the nervous system to that of a neurologist. Do you know how little education chiros even get? A big part of that is that there is nothing to teach, and even less to learn! Research the annals of "Doctor" Palmer, the founder of chiropractic. He basically admits as much. It's a racket.

Here is a good read that exposes the whole thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chir..._and_criticism

Well, This won't really get us anywhere, but I will mention that I've read reports that the flu vaccine has 0 proof that it helps. There has been no observable evidence that documented flu cases have decreased since the flu shot was introduced. Now, I'm not a journalist so don't shoot me. Just an article I read on a reputable site once. If this is true, it stands to reason how much money they would lose if they stopped giving that out. Knowing what I do about history and how people work, yes it is ALWAYS about money. Maybe not for every person involved, but the driving factor is always money.

that' is not exactly what I said but reading it I can see how it can interpreted that way .. so let me be clear ... If I some sort of trauma. .such as a brain injury .. I'm seeing an MD.. if I have an ongoing issue with my spine ..I'm seeing a chiropractor..

That does not make their knowledge "superior" .. just a different focus ..

A specialist is a specialist in their field. Nobody else learns how to adjust bones and do the work like a chiropractor. Sure, other doctors learn bones, but I've never heard of an ER doctor give a back adjustment to someone in chronic back pain. They give them a shot. The chiropractor I grew up with, and my mom works for, has referenced many people to other doctors including a neurologist. Every good doctor knows their limits, and also knows other fields are relevant too.

Btw, Texas, a Chiropractor has 7 years of college just like any other MD. The main difference is that they don't focus on drugs, so they can't prescribe meds, at least not without some extra certifications. I suppose this is also why they often go the natural route. The chiropractor field and the rest of the medical field are often at odds because most medical doctors believe in drugs, while chiropractors often go natural remedies first. I guess it is the nature of their mindsets, and it is rare that I find a medical doctor that actually believes in trying homeopathic methods first.

In my mind, it makes sense to start with natural forms before introducing chemicals that almost always have terrible side effects and typically cause life long damage to body organs. When I feel a cold coming on I mega dose on Vitamen A, C, and E. In most cases, it knocks it back out in a couple days. If it doesn't, I got to a dr and get meds.

[FLA]

I can't wrap my brain around not believing in the flu shot, the science is there. Especially if you are around younger or older sick people who cannot receive the shot and the flu could easily kill them. If the people around them are vaccinated, then they are protected. My hospital system mandated all employees get vaccinated and those that don't have to wear a mask all day during flu season.

[disneysteve]

In my mind, it makes sense to start with natural forms before introducing chemicals that almost always have terrible side effects and typically cause life long damage to body organs. When I feel a cold coming on I mega dose on Vitamen A, C, and E. In most cases, it knocks it back out in a couple days. If it doesn't, I got to a dr and get meds.

Here's where people often run into trouble, though. Too many folks assume that "natural" means "healthy" and "safe" and "prescription" automatically means "dangerous". In reality, none of those assumptions are true. Some natural remedies are safe and effective. Many others are not. Because natural remedies are not regulated by the FDA, they are not required to prove anything before being marketed. That's why they all have a disclaimer on the label that says something to the effect of "this product is not intended to treat any condition". It's also why you'll see dosing instructions like, "Take one to six pills daily".

Prescription medications, on the other hand, many of which are derived from natural sources, have to undergo very strict and very rigorous testing before they can make any efficacy or safety claims.

Certainly, there have been numerous cases where a prescription product was found to have risks once it was on the market that hadn't been identified in testing, but the same can be said for OTC products. You mentioned taking mega doses of certain vitamins. I'm sure you know that vitamins A and E (as well as D and K) are toxic in high doses. Again, too many people assume that if it doesn't require a prescription, it's safe and you can take as much as you want to, but it doesn't work that way.

I'm not opposed to non-prescription products in general. I take a multivitamin myself and often advise patients to take certain supplements. I just think the whole "natural" is good and "prescription" is bad is a very dangerous mindset.

[rennigade]

rennigade, I think you misunderstood FLA's comment. It wasn't about manufacturing the drugs in other countries. It was about selling them in other countries. The US has the highest prices because we allow it. Most other countries have some sort of government price control in place to limit what companies can charge, so the companies make their big profits in the US market at the same time they are selling drugs far cheaper in other countries (regardless of where they are made). That's why one thing we heard about in the campaign was allowing the re-importation of drugs, that is, drugs made in the US and then shipped to other countries to be sold cheaper. Let Americans buy those cheaper drugs (like from Canadian pharmacies, for example).

Canada has a high percentage of counterfeit drugs. You may buy several drugs from canada and not have any issues but you're taking a risk since their regulations differ from the US.

All countries have different standards when it comes to drug manufacturing. This is why you see a fluctuation in price. In the US the standards are extremely high which equals more money. In india someone may rent out a warehouse with a dirt floor and manufacture drugs...those will be sold at a cheaper price...and yes...this stuff actually happens.

Im not 100% sure if the FDA regulates drugs made in the united states but are sold to other countries. This could be the reason they're sold at a cheaper price.

[FLA]

I was also talking about situations like HIV meds being sold to African countries at a low cost out of a sense of compassionate relief

[TexasHusker]

I can't wrap my brain around not believing in the flu shot, the science is there. Especially if you are around younger or older sick people who cannot receive the shot and the flu could easily kill them. If the people around them are vaccinated, then they are protected. My hospital system mandated all employees get vaccinated and those that don't have to wear a mask all day during flu season.

I bet half of your chiros are anti-vaccination. But considering most of them reject western medicine, that shouldn't be surprising.

Doc I've got the flu, can you pop my back real quick? And make sure it makes a noise this time so I know you did some good.

[rennigade]

I can't wrap my brain around not believing in the flu shot, the science is there. Especially if you are around younger or older sick people who cannot receive the shot and the flu could easily kill them. If the people around them are vaccinated, then they are protected. My hospital system mandated all employees get vaccinated and those that don't have to wear a mask all day during flu season.

The flu shot only works on the strains of flu that are known. Its constantly mutating...so even if you do get the flu shot doesnt prevent you from getting the flu.

Ive never taken the shot and ive never had the flu that I know of? Ive probably been lucky since im stuck on a metal tube filled with people on my commute to work.

[Outdoorsygal]

The only people I've been aware of who got the flu shot, also got the flu


They push it bigtime around here at little or no cost. That tells me I will avoid it. I'd rather live a life avoiding massive amounts of people than take these often dangerous drugs.
Of course it depends upon the vaccination and how you live your life. If I am wrong, how likely am I to spread a disease? If I live in a town of less than 80 people, and work with one person on average, it's pretty low. Shop in a mom and pop store but this is easy for me since I hate to be around alot of people. So it comes natural

[rennigade]

The only people I've been aware of who got the flu shot, also got the flu


They push it bigtime around here at little or no cost. That tells me I will avoid it. I'd rather live a life avoiding massive amounts of people than take these often dangerous drugs.
Of course it depends upon the vaccination and how you live your life. If I am wrong, how likely am I to spread a disease? If I live in a town of less than 80 people, and work with one person on average, it's pretty low. Shop in a mom and pop store but this is easy for me since I hate to be around alot of people. So it comes natural

After 200+ posts one would think you would have picked up the troll game by now.