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    For those of you who don't know or remember I will start off by mentioning that DH has diabetes, stage 4 kidney disease, and has multiple severe complications from the diabetes. He also regularly sees a psychiatrist and takes psychiatric medications. We are right now looking into options to get him a preemptive kidney transplant (Preemptive meaning before his kidney function drops to below 20%. Preemptive transplants are showing to have better results, and you can go on the list at any point after your kidney function drops below 30%. His is currently at around 25%) So the probability of him meeting his out of pocket maximum in any given year is quite high. Even if he doesn't, he generally comes close.

    So, DH's insurance is changing slightly in the following year. Premiums are a bit lower, the deductible stays the same ($2000), the annual out of pocket maximum stays the same ($4000, which includes the deductible). The biggest difference is that this year copays did not apply to the annual out of pocket max. Next year and going forward they will. The only exception is copays for prescriptions.

    We have an HSA that is not through DH's employer. We make all contributions ourselves with take home pay. I think that next year we should take the 4000, add to it his annual prescription costs, divide it by 12, and contribute that much to the HSA each month. This winds up being somewhere in the neighborhood of $375 a month.

    He has reservations about tying up that much money each month into an account that cannot be used for anything else. My feelings are that by making these contributions each month we are able to take an unpredictable expense and make it predictable. If he does have anything left over at the end of this year then it rolls over and we can contribute less the following year. He would rather just keep the money in regular savings or something. Or pay costs as they come up and reimburse ourselves later from the HSA (which is what we have been doing this year). But that has left us paying $200 some months and $500 or more in others, depending on what he has going on. I'd rather this be a predictable monthly expense, even if there is some chance we may not need it all in any given year.

  • #2
    I agree with you. I would put in in the HSA. Isn't it also tax advantaged? I can see no disadvantage to the HSA since it is a guarantee you have health expenses.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Blessed View Post
      I agree with you. I would put in in the HSA. Isn't it also tax advantaged? I can see no disadvantage to the HSA since it is a guarantee you have health expenses.
      +1

      If the expenses are all but guaranteed, use the HSA.
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      • #4
        Agreed with the others, as long as the expenses are guaranteed. While the tax deduction is nice, whatever contributions you make to the HSA that are left unused at the end of the year will be added back into your gross income, AND there will be an additional 10% tax added.


        Be mindful of the contribution limits as well which are different depending on how you file (doesn't sound like it affects you in this case, but for anyone else reading this):

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seen View Post
          While the tax deduction is nice, whatever contributions you make to the HSA that are left unused at the end of the year will be added back into your gross income, AND there will be an additional 10% tax added.
          Even with that, as long as you use at least 10% of the account, you come out ahead: 90% + 1/10 = 99%; without the HSA, 100% = 100% no matter how much your bills.

          Therefore, setting aside up to 1000% of your actual bills is a hedge. I appreciate your post. I never knew that, and always tried to hit the exact amount. I now see that I should aim for twice to five times what I expect to spend. I will need MORE money if I have high medical bills which I will have with the greater HSA savings, and if I spend at least 10%, I still come out ahead. Anything over 10% is a win. Anything over what I save is a loss, and at the time when I'll need it more than with low bills.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by seen View Post
            Agreed with the others, as long as the expenses are guaranteed. While the tax deduction is nice, whatever contributions you make to the HSA that are left unused at the end of the year will be added back into your gross income, AND there will be an additional 10% tax added.


            Be mindful of the contribution limits as well which are different depending on how you file (doesn't sound like it affects you in this case, but for anyone else reading this):
            http://www.hsacenter.com/2013limits.html

            The way that link is worded is misleading. As long as you leave any unused funds in the HSA at the end of the year there is no tax on them. You are only taxed if you withdraw the funds and use them for non medical expenses.

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            • #7
              Be mindful of any fees or penalties tied to the account when factoring it in. My employer pays for any enrollment/upkeep fees, but there is a whole list of others that can quickly exceed the 10% tax savings.

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              • #8
                Just want to make sure that's an HSA not a FSA.

                An HSA is attached to a HDHP (High Deductible Health Plan) and the 2013 minimum deductible for a family was $2500, so if you're on a plan together and the deductible is only $2000, you aren't on a HDHP and therefore can't have an HSA.

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                • #9
                  They charge a $2.50 a month maintenance fee, and that is it. That may go away with a higher balance. I never really looked into it as we don't generally keep much of a balance in there.

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                  • #10
                    Bucky, the 2000 deductible is just for him, as is the annual out of pocket maximum.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by hamchan View Post
                      Bucky, the 2000 deductible is just for him, as is the annual out of pocket maximum.
                      That explains it. I mistakenly thought you were on the same plan because you said that "we" have an HSA.

                      Sorry!

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                      • #12
                        We are on the same plan, but there is a 2000 individual deductible, and a 4000 family deductible. Once an individual has reached the 2000 deductible the coinsurance kicks in just for them, and once the individual out of pocket max is reached any further expenses are covered at 100% just for them as well. He meets his individual OOP every year, or at least comes close. I usually don't.

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