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  • Lost in America

    Please excuse the extreme naivete I am about to disclose, but that is really kind of the point. I guess what I am trying to say is I am 45, and have little to no assets, although I think I have acceptable earning potential, a job, and generally low debt. The thing is I don't really even know how to get an accurate enough picture of my financial situation to know what to do.

    If I had to guess, I'd say I have around $50,000 dollars or so gathering dust in a state retirement annuity. I say gathering dust, because I don't know what else it is doing. I don't think I want to keep working at my current job long enough for the pension to matter. I have been working for nine years and two months, and my salary has moved in that time from around $45k per year to about $75k, though only a little of my life seems to reflect that change.

    Aside from what is in retirement, I have little to speak of, less than 10k that's for sure.

    I know I can't retire; that's crazy, but my work situation is becoming untenable for other reasons, mostly that I can no longer be happy doing it. I am a business/tech analyst by trade, and pretty good at it, if for no other reason that I am more technically deep that most people who do my job. Like a lot of other people, I would much rather be doing something like operating a food cart at music festivals or something, anything that involved less reporting to other people.

    And now, every day I do to work I try to remind myself not to quit my job, for this one reason: After ten years, one is "vested" in this state, Massachusetts, USA. From what I can tell that gives you two options: One, take the money that has gone into your retirement fund out completely. Up until ten years, there is a penalty for that; after then years, there isn't, although it is considered taxable income for the year you withdraw it, so the Fed, and perhaps the State, get a cut. Okay. That probably doesn't leave much.

    Two, you can leave it in the system, in which case you qualify for a meager pension after turning 55, and you have access (in theory, who knows if this will change) to the same health care options of a state employee for life. That's the one that has everyone telling me, "Finish your ten years, and leave the money where it is."

    I think they might be right, but I am really wondering what people who know what they are talking about would say. I want out of my job, not because I hate my job, but because I have come to know I need a different life; I need to leave Massachusetts. I know that.

    But so then, what to do? Part of me is really seriously tempted to just cash it in and see what I can do for myself if I set up elsewhere, because I must do that. But then part of me (maybe the wiser part?) feels like if I take that money out of the state system, and lose access to the health care, i will regret it.

    As I write this, I hear this answer playing back in my head, "You know what to do. Finish your time and leave the money where it is. Watch your budget."

    And I guess that's the larger thing I am trying to ask. Should I simply ignore the money in the retirement plan, and try to make a go of changing things, and if so, how much money do I need to have ready to hand to think I could last long enough to find a way to make another go?

    Again, apologies, this sounds ridiculous, but I do not have a natural ability to manage money, and I could use any advice you might have. I have friends that make half the money I do and live better.

    Thanks.

  • #2
    Welcome. You are basically asking two questions. Should you stay at your job? Should you cash out your pension money?

    You shouldn't stay at your job if you don't like the job or want to do other things. You mention wanting to move out of state. Don't let the pension plan influence what you do with your life.

    No, you should not cash out your pension. If you do, you will pay a lot in penalties and taxes for an early withdrawal. Leave it there until retirement. It may not be much but it is more than you'll have if you cash out now.

    Good luck to you.
    Steve

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    • #3
      Your quandry is whether you should stay at your present job for another 10 months and qualify for a pension and health care at 55 or ______? Do you have another job lined up and a plan for moving out of the state? If you go before the 10 months, then I assume you would not qualify for a deferred pension and your only option is to take the money out of the plan?

      I would absolutely stay 10more months to finish the 10 years. You don't seem to have a plan for your transition. You said, "I would much rather be doing something like operating a food cart at music festivals or something, anything that involved less reporting to other people." I'm wondering if this is a case of being under a lot of stress at your current job and thinking the grass is greener on the other side of the fence?


      In any case, you don't seem to have saved up any money for your transition. If you are intent on leaving, at least stay the 10months, save up some money for your new career and work on a realistic transition plan.

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      • #4
        I'm sorry. I misunderstood. I thought you meant you had to work another 10 years, not a total of 10 years. If you are only 10 months from being vested, I'd stick it out.
        Steve

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        • #5
          Here's an even better option. You will be vested as of January 2013, right? So spend the next 3-4 months doing your research, building your network, writing your resume, and learning any skills you need. Also research and timeline the process for leaving your old job to ensure that you get your pension. Then this summer, start applying for jobs or setting up your small business with a target start date after you're vested in your old job. That way the day after you are vested, you can walk in with your letter of resignation. If you start now, then your current job becomes a means to your goal for the money and learning opportunities it provides. This hopefully will make your work day more tolerable. In addition, it doesn't leave you unemployed out of sheer hate of your previous job.

          Just make sure that your job search and your old job don't mix. Don't give out your work number or work on job search items during work hours. Keep up your old standards so that you don't put your safety net into jeopardy.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Like2Plan View Post
            I would absolutely stay 10more months to finish the 10 years.
            Yup, I think this is pretty much a no-brainer. That's a big reward for sticking around another 10 months.
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            • #7
              Suck it up for the 10 months, then start getting the ball rolling on moving and finding a new career.
              Brian

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              • #8
                What's stopping you from pursuing your passions right now? Don't you have extra time in the mornings, evevnings, or weekends to start working on it?

                We always get this idea that we have to make this big, bold move in life to make a change. I had this idea for a long time until I finally started working on my side business (financial blog, speaking, etc) while working full time. Now, I'm helping others do the same.

                It's funny you mentioned a food cart - I recently helped my friend in New Orleans start one while still working his full time job. Yes, it's a lot of work, but he's making great progress and will soon be full time with it. He loves it and would never go back to a job he hated (like the one he had previously). You can read his story here.

                After you start working on something you love, you might not hate your current job as much because you have another outlet to pursue your passions and find meaning. Learn to use your job as a tool to pursue your passions (even if the only 'tool' is the income/retirement it produces).
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                • #9
                  Happiness is overrated. I am not sure why people assume they will be happier if they don't have a job. You don't do your job for "happiness" you do it to provide, put food on the table, give you the comforts of life and income that allow you the ability to pursue things and enjoy things you like. Not having an income or responsibilities sounds like fun but it isn't. If you truly despise your job, then look for another one or another line of work or whatever. Life is short and you should do so. But, if you have been in the workforce long enough, which you have, eventually, you realize one job is probably just about as good as another. There is good and bad. There are nice people and annoying jerks. Whatever. It all comes with the territory. Having said that, i do think that finding another job is fine and i have had no qualms changing jobs over the years. I do have a friend that has been miserable for YEARS out of fear of changing. Either decide to stay and make the best of it, or move on.

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                  • #10
                    You didn't offer details. Where would you like to live? Another country or merely another state? What skill sets would you need to get a job you would like? Do you want to be self employed? What are you willing to give up to boost your savings significantly? Do you understand the negatives of withdrawing your state retirement savings?

                    When did you last have vocational aptitude tests? I would start by identifying employment goals. I suggest you go on an austerity budget to confirm how little you need to sustain basics and at the same time save sums needed for relocation and employment transition.

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