The Cure is not "Mo' Jobs"

[Scanner]

BTW, I am not a total free-thinking Progressive here - I do agree with Conservatives that there is a problem when the lower 50% pay nothing. Everyone needs skin in the game.

It's just that one subject (fair taxation) has little to nothing to do with the other (job creation) and the GOP is unsucessfully trying to muttle the two and it's ending up looking like pandering to the Nike's of the world.

[maat55]

can you please point me to documentation of this? links to industries that functioned under less regulation in the 60s than now would be great-thanks.

As ammusing as your request is, here goes: The EPA was established in 1970.
United States Environmental Protection Agency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.epa.gov/agriculture/agmatrix.pdf

OSHA was established in 1970 as well.
Occupational Safety and Health Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Occupational Safety and Health Standards

FUTA 1976.
Federal Unemployment Tax Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Boiler MACT 2010
Understanding the Industrial Boiler MACT Rule

PPACA 2010
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Clearly, regulations have increases substantially since the 60's.

[maat55]

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QUOTE=Scanner;301795]Maat,

Agree with Phila - I wouldn't be begging for Nike to return here any time soon if that's all they have to offer - $.20/hour? Are you serious, Maat?

Nike is just an example. The real problem is that we are competing with countries that do not play on the same field of regulations. We currently get clothing cheap because it is made elsewhere, I have no problem with paying higher prices for having them made here.

I am not saying we need to necessarily villianize them. But just not grovel. They are trying to find cheap labor - no one can blame them and the Vietnamese will be their slaves. But all the groveling and pandering we seem to do for Big Business on behalf of the Republicans is just simply a bizarre position to take.

Having the government replace leaving jobs is not an viable option. It is a waste of time to pander to big business. Businesses just want reasonable regulation and fair competition.

I will agree with you that a simplification of tax code would help. It's not the solution, but it would help. I believe the Democrats pushed for closing loopholes though and the REpublicans were dead-set against it.

The tax code needs to be changed just because it is manipulative and corrupt. It is not the business of government to dictate market forces.

So what's this about then? Just simply who has power and the GOP is jealous?

I see both parties as destructive to freedom and prosperity, I just find liberals to be the worst.

I honestly don't believe Boehner ever ran a business. I think it's made up and he's been a politician so long he forgot or he lied about his resume. He sounds like a community organizer or something. He would know that a tax break does not equal jobs. It's either that or like one poster said - just simple, raw propaganda, that the Red States have bought.

Again, taxes are just one component in a long list of improper government intrusions.

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You could give me the whoppingest tax break ever and I am not going to hire if people aren't consuming my services (or goods).

I think that's the key to this whole mess. If everyone lived at or below their means, then the goods and services produced would remain a lot more constant. When people spend much more than they should, there will come a time when they no longer can do so; therefore, when the economy tanks (like, now), then companies won't have the demand and businesses have to produce less and lay off people.

[maat55]

I think that's the key to this whole mess. If everyone lived at or below their means, then the goods and services produced would remain a lot more constant. When people spend much more than they should, there will come a time when they no longer can do so; therefore, when the economy tanks (like, now), then companies won't have the demand and businesses have to produce less and lay off people.

This is an example of why free markets are superior to centrally planned markets. Centrally planned markets attempt to herd cats. It is best to let them go where they want.

[RedSilk]

I think Scanner's posts are definitely very thought inducing.

What I find funny is when people in the middle class criticize poor people, "why don't they just stay in school", "why don't they try to find jobs", "they're just too lazy", etc.

There are also problems in the middle class but they don't see it themselves. Middle class workers are easily replaced, they are reliant on someone elses business, they don't save or invest very much. They also can't dig themselves out of the middle class hole just like poor people can't.

Tax cuts are certainly not the answer. As scanner said, businesses will not hire more people because of tax cuts. "Give tax cuts to job creators" is simply a proganda and poor/middle class people are actually buying into it.

[Scanner]

Redsilk,

What that is another discussion too - even our government has said education is the answer. But we all kind of know too that we can't operate a society entirely of PhD's. We need janitors and jailors too.

So. . .what are transitional type of jobs? (fast food)
What jobs "deserve" to be middle class? (construction, healthcare)
Who do we reward at the top of our society? (athletes, CEO's)

I don't wish any ill upon the Oprah Winfrey's and Bill Gates of the world - they have contributed. But neither should we pander to them.

The funny thing is, I don't think they want to be pandered to, when you talk to these people, and yet, a political movement exists to do exactly that because they are "job creators."