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    Since Jan 2008 I've had two fulltime jobs in a professional industry. This working arrangement started when I was working one fulltime job by telecommuting, that job became a little slow, and I took a second at the office job with another employer. My initial idea was to work this arrangement for a few months just to save up a bit of money - but a few months has turned into a few years, and it still appears that I will keep this arrangement. At times, this arrangement is more complicated than I would like, for example when there is a meeting scheduled at the same time at both jobs. My attitude towards work is not entirely positive, even though I manage to get my work done and with good performance reviews.

    But this has been very good for savings, including monies for a large downpayment on the purchase of a home, payment of wife's tuition, funding 401k at maximum, paying off automobiles in full, and establishing a 529 plan for each of our children. It has not been good for finding time to exercise (my physical fitness is markedly worse, although I've recently taken steps to improve this), do hobbies, or for spending time with friends or family; however, there are currently no critical problems in these areas either.

    At times I think about how I would spend my free time if I were to quit one of the jobs, which I could do at anytime with the standard two weeks notice. I do not 'need' both jobs from a financial perspective - our housing payment and expenses are low enough that we can get by on one job's salary only, while still making some savings. If I quit a job, it would be the second job, which is still far more work than the first.

    This may be a psychological issue, rather than a strictly financial one. Over the past two years, having the greater income from the two jobs has led me to believe that level of income is normal for me (even though a single job income was what I had been used to before).

    When I redid budget projections to account for only one job, I was shocked to look at the figures and see that I could only save a much smaller amount of money per month.

    When I think about the things I would not be able to do as well with only one job (efforts towards savings, investment, buying real estate, early retirement, helping family members) it became a bit discouraging. Also, when I think about how I could transform my family's financial picture over a longer period of time (say 5 to 10 years) with this arrangement, it is fairly attractive.

    Has anyone experienced having the choice to scale back work efforts or increase those efforts to meet a goal, and how did they deal with that? How much forward looking should I plan a budget under these circumstances?

  • #2
    Good luck with the situation!

    Could you scale back on one of them instead of quitting altogether? I would evaluate which has the better benefits, longevity, if I could stick with it another xx months and save the entire amount, etc. before making a decision.

    I know a family friend that had did the dual jobs for YEARS. He worked the night shift as a maintenance supervisor, came home and slept a few hours and worked as a building superintendent. This second job could be extremely busy or not based on an emergency repairs situations that came up.

    During this time, he saved enough to buy his own real estate, a few legal 3-family homes.

    He moved his family into one of these homes and quit his superintendent job to take care of his own property.

    In the meantime, he found another better maintenance job during the day shift shift. He intended to work BOTH full time jobs only until the probationary period of the new job was over. Next thing you know, fast forward a few years, he was working BOTH full time jobs, one day, one night, sleeping a few hours and still taking care of his own rental property. Not only that, but he was/is very active with his church and volunteering his time every weekend.

    That man seemed to never sleep! I think that I read somewhere that some people like Bill Gates (?) only need 3-4 hours a sleep a day and they are fine?

    In any case, I don't know whether he is doing EVERYTHING now, but he did maintain the 2 full time jobs for at least 5 years that I know of and at least 10 years with the full time job and super job before that.

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    • #3
      Thank you. It is nice to know there are others in this situation. Sometimes I have trouble relating with my '1-job' friends.

      The idea of having some type of exit strategy (once you've met certain financial goals), or way to get to an improvement in job or career is appealing.
      Last edited by tulog; 04-01-2010, 01:34 PM.

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      • #4
        I did this for 3 years. Worked 2 full time jobs-both had me working 3 shifts of 12 hours each, and I still had one day off. I looked at which one had the best insurance, most vacation time, best retirement. It did allow me to put away around #$30000 in savings, which at the time for a single mom wiwth 3 kids was major. Good luck!!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mom-from-missouri View Post
          I did this for 3 years. Worked 2 full time jobs-both had me working 3 shifts of 12 hours each, and I still had one day off. I looked at which one had the best insurance, most vacation time, best retirement. It did allow me to put away around #$30000 in savings, which at the time for a single mom wiwth 3 kids was major. Good luck!!

          Thanks for your input. $30000 is a nice savings amount.

          So you worked around 72 hours a week, for 3 years. I am coming up on 2 years and 3 months, starting to feel a bit tired (not from number of hours, but from effort), but hoping for a second burst of working inspiration.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by tulog View Post
            It has not been good for finding time.......for spending time with friends or family; however, there are currently no critical problems in these areas either.
            There are only so many things you get to do in this life, Tulog. And I don't want to sound too preachy here. I speak as someone who often struggles with priorities, so I'm empathetic.

            But, years from now you will lay on your death bed with a body that has nothing left to offer. What you will have at that moment is a feeling of either satisfaction or disappointment based on what received the bulk of your life's effort, focus and attention.

            Chances are, you will be have more money than you ever thought you would have. However, you will have no use for those things that you worked so hard for. It will be left to someone, eventually, who will spend it on something you never, ever, would have dreamed of working one minute for.

            My advice, Tulog, is to live for that last moment. Prioritize now. Before critical problems arise in any area.

            You also mention that part of what keeps you working so much is to help family members. That is a very noble priority! I just want to help you make sure your life's work is getting the most bang for it's buck, Tulog.

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            • #7
              Thanks, Jeff. This is a lot to think on. I will consider it carefully.

              One issue is, how to I find the optimal amount of time to maintain this arrangement. When do I know that I've reached enough financial goals, that I can quit and pursue non-monetary goals.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by tulog View Post
                Thanks, Jeff. This is a lot to think on. I will consider it carefully.

                One issue is, how to I find the optimal amount of time to maintain this arrangement. When do I know that I've reached enough financial goals, that I can quit and pursue non-monetary goals.
                I don't know when that is, Tulog. If / when I get there, I'll let you know! LOL!!

                Seriously, my best guess is that for many people, those financial goals are never met. Goals are instead enlarged so they stay out in front of us.

                Maybe we do that without even thinking about it?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jefffou View Post
                  There are only so many things you get to do in this life, Tulog. And I don't want to sound too preachy here. I speak as someone who often struggles with priorities, so I'm empathetic.

                  But, years from now you will lay on your death bed with a body that has nothing left to offer. What you will have at that moment is a feeling of either satisfaction or disappointment based on what received the bulk of your life's effort, focus and attention.

                  Chances are, you will be have more money than you ever thought you would have. However, you will have no use for those things that you worked so hard for. It will be left to someone, eventually, who will spend it on something you never, ever, would have dreamed of working one minute for.

                  My advice, Tulog, is to live for that last moment. Prioritize now. Before critical problems arise in any area.

                  You also mention that part of what keeps you working so much is to help family members. That is a very noble priority! I just want to help you make sure your life's work is getting the most bang for it's buck, Tulog.
                  Originally posted by jefffou View Post
                  I don't know when that is, Tulog. If / when I get there, I'll let you know! LOL!!

                  Seriously, my best guess is that for many people, those financial goals are never met. Goals are instead enlarged so they stay out in front of us.

                  Maybe we do that without even thinking about it?
                  Totally agree.

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                  • #10
                    It sounds unsustainable to me.

                    When you do decide to transition back to one job, you should go back to living on one salary for a while and save 100% of the second income.

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