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  • How much debt is a crazy amount to you?

    What do you consider a inordinately large amount of unsecured debt? This would be credit cards, personal loans, student loans, etc.

    I know this is a skewed place to ask, since we tend to be more budget minded/aware than the average person (otherwise, we wouldn't post on a finance forum) and I know that income makes a difference in some ways as well.

    I guess I ask because I thought I was drowning in debt with a $12,500 personal loan until I started reading financial message boards. I see people who routinely have $18K on a credit card plus other cards and loans as well.

    I can't even imagine how one gets that much cc debt. My debt was from a very large car repair on a newish (at the time) car and very expensive vet surgery for a dog (I regret spending the money on both of these things… dog died anyway & car died a year later). These two things happened within 1 week of each other back when I did not have much of an e-fund.

    I'm not trying to sound snobby, I just really am curious. What do you buy that racks up to $18K on a cc? Is your debt from emergencies or is it from little things that add up?

    What amount of cc debt do you hear of that makes you really cringe? I hear of someone with $1000 and, assuming they are employed and making payments, I think nothing of it for the most part. Obviously, would be better if there was $0 debt but $1000 doesn't strike me as a nightmare scenario.

    But I hear someone with $20K and I don't care if they make $100K a year, it sounds bizarre to me that someone would charge that much. Example, my parents have income into the $500K area. They have one card with a $40K balance. It's like, why would you not just pay cash if you had that much cash?

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    I think total debt payments greater than about 1/3 of income is a problem. That's why mortgage lenders use that criteria that housing shouldn't be more than 28% of income and total debt shouldn't be more than 36%.

    Personally, I think any CC debt is a problem because it means you are spending money you don't have. I realize some CC debt is due to catastrophic stuff like medical bills so that would be an exception, but if it is all due to regular spending, anything more than zero is bad.
    Steve

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    • #3
      I agree cc debt anything more than zero is bad enough. I still have some here to elliminate
      Same with personal loans. I paid off mine!!!
      Student loans are a tough one, I think.
      I am still ambivalent about car loans.
      Mortgages are ok but I think people need to buy the house they need and not as much house as they can buy.

      You will always find people with gigantic amounts of debt, just because they could get themselves in that situation doesn't mean they should be used as comparison point. Particularly if you make good money, there is no excuse to get into debt. IMHO

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Radiance View Post
        Student loans are a tough one, I think.
        I am still ambivalent about car loans.
        Mortgages are ok but I think people need to buy the house they need and not as much house as they can buy.
        Student loans may or may not be okay. It depends if the student borrowed an amount that is reasonable based on future earnings potential. I graduated with over 100K in loans but now have a 6-figure income. But borrowing 100K to get a degree in advanced basketweaving and earning 20K/year doesn't make much sense.

        I think car loans are fine at least early in life but again, it needs to be reasonable relative to income. You can't go out and buy a $30,000 car if you only earn $25,000.

        Same for mortgages. I see nothing wrong with having one as long as the amount and payments fit comfortably into the budget.
        Steve

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        • #5
          Honestly, the world would be better OFF without credit cards to rack up huge amount of debt.
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          • #6
            It is not about not being tempted, it is about being tempted and saying no.

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            • #7
              One dollar more than I have in assets.

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              • #8
                I allow no CC debt in my life. I use my CC but i pay it in full at the end of the month. I don't ever just pay less or pay a minimum and i have never run a balance or paid any CC interest. That is always the way I have done and it and I would never want to be at the mercy of a CC company. So, any CC debt is unacceptable in my view.
                I think student loans are fine, but I have seen people go overboard. If you are going into alot of student loan debt, then there better be a job waiting at the end of that to cover it. It makes no sense to go to a pricey Ivy League school and run up debt to major in Social Work or being a school teacher which isn't going to result in enough compensation down the road and when there are less expensive schools. On the other hand, running up debt for law school, medical school, or MBA may pay off. An education will pay off but you have to take a reasonable view of that.
                I don't see anything wrong with a car loan as most of us need a car and when you are young and just start working, you don't have the cash, but again it needs to be proportionate to what you are really netting. I don't operate on gross salary because I don't see that money anyway so I never understood the point of that. And, I also don't even see the point to buy a car in cash. I bought my last new car in cash and forked over that check just to see if really would prefer that but next time I would just take out the low interest loan and keep the money in the bank.
                A mortage is fine as well, again only if in proportion to one's financial reality. Buying more than about 2x your income is too big a stretch and I don't think a good plan.

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                • #9
                  I think that responsible individuals can use debt to their advantage. Obviously school loans are pretty much a necessity these days. Luckily for me, I didn't have to take out a single loan to pay for college, but my wife took out 30k.

                  When it comes to CC debt, I personally use it to make money. I've carried about 10k in debt for the last two years and not paid a dime in interest, but earned some by putting the money I would pay off the debt with in CD's or high interest saving accounts. So in essence, I could pay the debt off right now, but why if I can make a little extra money. I basically do the same thing with my daily spending, using credit cards to earn rewards then paying in full at the end of the month.

                  It really comes down to responsibility and discipline and the individual situation.

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                  • #10
                    $18k on a credit card? That's child's play.

                    My point balance on Amex is over $80k - and that's since last June. Interest paid - $0!

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                    • #11
                      I'm among the "no credit is a reasonable amount" crowd. We have a card we pay off every month and I tense up if it's over $500 every two weeks.

                      We paid off something like $27,000. I was in denial for a long time so I'm not sure what the high really was. How did we get there? It really wasn't that hard!

                      It all started with the honeymoon! We put a cruise on the credit card. We came home as a newly married couple to a brand new home and a Kirby Vacuum cleaner salesman. Ah, to do that one over again!

                      From there, life just happened. We stupidly bought a new house before selling the old one and had two house payments for a year. Bills and food went on the card to get us through that. We put a down payment for a car on the cards. My husband lost his job for nearly a year and food and bills once again went on the cards. The fridge died, so a new one went on the card.

                      I WISH we had things to show for our enormous debt, but we don't! There's no grand RV, no swimming pool in the back yard. It's all food in our bellies and lights to read by.

                      But it's all behind us now! We're currently in the process of first paying off the car, then building 3-6 months of living expenses.

                      No more credit for us!

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                      • #12
                        really? i really think twice about this..........

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by wincrasher View Post
                          $18k on a credit card? That's child's play.

                          My point balance on Amex is over $80k - and that's since last June. Interest paid - $0!
                          What, you are not cashing in after 10k and earning interest on that money?

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                          • #14
                            If you're going to get a mortgage or get a car loan then you'll want to maintain a high credit score. And so your debt-to-equity ratio matters. If you keep this ratio under 15% (not sure of the exact percentage) I believe it does not hurt your credit score, but once it increases above 15% then it does hurt it a little bit. But as long as you are making monthly payments it shouldn't hurt it

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                            • #15

                              I am presently debt free except for my mortgage.

                              Before I attained that position, I once owed over $80K in debt. At the time, that was a little less than twice my annual salary.

                              I think if you owe more than you make in a year, excluding the mortgage, you can call that a crazy amount of debt. If you owe more than double that, clearly you need to re-evaluate the course of your life, financially speaking.


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