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  • Do you think frugality is partly genetic?

    I know that's a funny question, but it seems that some people, despite having all sorts of opportunities to save money or pull themselves out of debt, fail to do so.

    I have a friend who's had her share of bad luck, financially. We both worked at the same small company that was going out of business about 5 years ago. Several months prior to our learning we would lose our jobs, she began making plans to build a small mother in law apartment addition to her house, as well as a sunroom. Her mom was already living with her, but it was very cramped at her house, and they needed more room.

    When we learned the bad news at work, she didn't cancel her construction plans. Big mistake, i thought, as we both would lose our income. Unfortunately for her, the builder she hired did a half-assed job, kept asking for more money upfront, then when she demanded he do more work first, he stopped showing up. She had to hire another builder to finish the job and undo much of the work the 1st one had done, as much of the work wasn't done to code, etc. It was very, very expensive for her. She also hired a lawyer to try to get some of her money back from the first builder, but he was broke and had no assets. So she got nothing, p lus she was out more $$ she had to pay the attorney.

    Since leaving that job, she's had a smattering of jobs, none of which she stayed at for more than a year. There was always something wrong, either she didn't get along with her coworkers or something like that. Each time, she would ask me to act as a job reference, and when they called, i'd praise her to the hilt, helping her to land the next job. That's what happened most recently, but then she told me a week ago she quit this latest job!

    It was only a part-time job to begin with, and i know she's got major bills to pay. I was flabbergasted, tho i didn't voice my surprise. More recently, she told me she's back working there, but on a more limited basis (her choice). She's over 65, and i know she doeesn't want to work at all, but as i said, she's got major bills to pay and her health is really not good. She is very overweight and most of her health problems are related to her weight problems.

    I've always tried to be a friend and to help her with suggestions for improving her financial picture and also organizing her life. She has a 1-car garage that's overflowing with her mother's junk, and it's gradually all getting ruined by moisture and mice sitting there for probably the last 15 years, but she's never made a move to clear that stuff out. She's the type of person who has piles of magazines all over the house that she will never read. She just doesn't seem to have the initiative to do much.

    Sometimes i feel inspired to just help her undertake some massive project like clearing out the garage and making dump runs, but then i wonder if i'd really be doing her a favor.

  • #2
    Born that way.... no, it's what you learn I believe, but then again...thinking about my middle daughter....

    When she and her older sister by 20 months spent two weeks with my sister-in-law and her husband, I gave them each $50.00 in spending money. My SIL says MD followed her around asking how much she had left and to this day is a better saver than her two sisters... so maybe you are on to something! They were 9 and 11 at the time.

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    • #3
      Your friend is fortunate to have found someone that cares about her as you do. Unfortunately, there is no answer for the way certain people are. I think most of it is how they feel about themselves. She is probably very insecure and that's why she hoard's so much or keeps sentimental items around. There's very little you can do for her that she's not willing to do for herself.

      There are some who do not want to work. They do so because of needing the finances, especially benefits play a part, or both. Maybe she's just a homebody. Too bad she can't find something to do at home to make money especially at her age. Does she use a computer?

      When I look at my brothers and sister, we're all different when it comes to money. I have to say that I probably am the most frugal one although I think my sister saves but noone knows about it. One of my brothers is a pastor and he would give you the shirt off of his back. (For real).

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      • #4
        I think there is something about finances that is genetic..something, not necessarily frugality..or even the lack thereof.

        Not sure I can explain that, but IMO there are three things to do with money..

        Get stuff (this includes get more money)
        Pay needs
        Help others.

        Genetically I think some are more programed than others to care about helping others, and others more focused on needs, and some genetically focused on stuff.....

        I look it by seeing my three kids, one is a stuff guy, not greedy just counts stuff, one is a take care of needs gal, not anti stuff, just fill todays need (and let tomorrow take care of itself) the third is a help others..you gotta take care of that crying monkey (it was a picture!) The training they all receive is generally the same (ok so I do tailor more lessons on the appearance of Empathy to my oldest, and some on why we don't just give in to tantrums to my middle, but in general the training differences came out AFTER the genetic differences appeared)

        Not that training doesn't play a huge role in that, take a genetically bred pit bull and train him to be scared of people, and you have a dog genetically ready to defend, yet trained the opposite. (or train him to hurt, genetically he might be the big but soft type.)

        Whatever your friend was genetically started out as, she has years of 'training' to make her feel her current way. and no cleaning out for her prolly wont help.

        If we could fix it all we would be playing the sims, not living real life...now I think I will log on to the Sims and order a few people around to fulfill their life's aspirations....

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        • #5
          I do, my mother was very frugal and I think I learned from her.

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          • #6
            Speaking of what Ima said, I do believe that alot has to do with the environment that you were brought up in and what you observed and what became normal in the family.

            I also believe that if parents are too tight that it could make the kids very loose with money. I have seen that one played out too.

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            • #7
              I think it is 90% genetic. I got my frugalness from my dad, despite my moms best effort to spoil her only son. For me being frugal is easy, but for some it is very painfull.
              Last edited by Snodog; 08-26-2007, 04:36 AM.

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              • #8
                i think its to do with how you're brought up, although some people manage to escape it.
                I do feel sorry for her, at 65 the prospects of improving her career are fast fading.

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