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  • #46
    When I was in high school they did teach us about finances, if we opted to take that course. We had a choice between World Economics, Business Economics, or Home Economics (not the sewing and cooking version). I chose Home Economics because I had no interest in the others at the time and figured easy A (I was an honors student, I wanted one easy class).

    Turns out I made the best choice, because in that class I learned how to write checks, balance a check book, create a budget with my assigned classmate "husband" that we had to follow for 3 months. Every class we had to pull a paper out of a jar that had an ordinary expense, an unexpected expense, or a wild card. The wild card could be anything from a debilitating illness or accident to an inheritance or winning the lottery. We were assigned an income level, a debt level, and whether or not we had kids. We were given the option of using credit cards or not. For those that did they had an additional wild card drawing. Sometimes they were blank, sometimes they were an interest raise, sometimes they were a lower card offer to transfer debt. Oh, and we were expected to save 10% of our income.

    We had field trips to the grocery store and had to stay within our grocery budget while "pretend" shopping for a month's of expenses. Most of the kids did without some things rather than by no name or generic foods. We always had enough food and made nearly everything from scratch. Other classmates often had little to no food for their last week of the budgeted month. Scary. Swore that would never be me.

    My "husband" and I were one of the few pairs that never exceeded our income and saved the 10%, despite having a "car accident." We (everyone in the class) had been given the choice on whether or not to pay for our insurnance (it wasn't mandatory on autos back then). We chose to keep it. Then 70 percent of the class got in a twelve car pile-up for their wild card.

    This class taught me so much. My friends learned how to pick stocks or how the economies of other nations worked. Most of them were 25 before they could balance their own checkbooks or use a budget. They never learned the skills. So I'm a huge advocate on learning this stuff. The other stuff (like stocks) I've picked up on my own, but I don't think I'd ever have learned the other stuff without the right class and a very clever teacher. My "husband" from that class never got into revolving debt at all and has amassed a sizeable estate that is now mortgage free. He is retired (at 37).

    As for why I live paycheck to paycheck, it's the medical debt. Unforeseen life experience and expense! And I guess I can say now that I'm half a paycheck ahead finally as I have that much in the Emergency Fund so far. And I am doing almost all that I can to get away from the paycheck to paycheck lifestyle.
    Last edited by LuckyRobin; 07-18-2007, 04:48 PM.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by disneysteve View Post
      I think you make a good point, though I'd debate not needing health insurance. One relatively minor illness, which can strike at any age, could bury you financially. Not having health insurance is a huge financial risk that really isn't worth taking. Overwhelming medical bills are the number one reason that people file for bankruptcy.
      I also support the need for medical insurance. We're not "brainwashed" into buying it, we buy it due to common sense. My wife just had an emergency appendectomy last monday and I expect that the total bill will be around $10,000. I'm probably going to be paying $2,000 out of pocket since I have an 80/20 plan. So where would I get that extra $8,000 to pay for the rest without health insurance? I pay about $130 a month for health insurance, so it would take 5.1 YEARS of saving $130 a month to make up that - not including the $150 (if it were out of pocket) check-ups that you should get.

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      • #48
        Paradox!!!
        Many times I heard this phrase from somebody that have money in his hands “ I will buy XXX now, because otherwise I’ll waste the money�

        Fist time I heard this I understood that – paradoxally- people buy stuff from CC because that is the only saving program they know.

        People do not see the possiblity to invest or “retire early�. Very often, people call “invest� the act of buying stuff so to avoid wasting the money

        Buying stuff is the only way people see to increase their “wealth�

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        • #49
          I am one of the lucky ones. Ten percent or so of the population is mentally ill. Some are disabled. Some have religions that do not let them use birth control. Some have less than optimal IQ's. Some were born on reservations with no running water or electricity. Some have diseases. Some live in communities with no continuing education. Some make only minimum wage...and no other jobs are available. Some were taken out of school when they reached the 8th grade. Some left extreme danger or poverty to get here. My point is that not all are created equal. It is a game. Success is when you optimize what you have been given for an end result you are happy with. No more, no less.

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          • #50
            Let's get the topic back to "living paycheck to paycheck." Honestly, I don't know how someone on minimum wage can even afford to pay rent any more.

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            • #51
              Just scanned the 3 pages of this post and didn't see this, so I apologize if it's already be mentioned. I heard somewhere that 3 out of 4 families live paycheck to paycheck. Pretty sad.
              I have a subordinate at work going through a divorce with two kids. She felt the need to go get a boob job. Last week she was in for overtime and stayed past her authorized time in what appeared to me an attempt to earn more money. Nothing was going on at work so I couldn't justify keeping her. I could tell she didn't appreciate me when I was verbally pushing her out the door. I just shake my head it's so pitiful. Priorities, people!
              dreamweaver, best of luck to you. I know you have tough choices, but I hope you win at your game.

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              • #52
                Sometimes it's just hard

                I've read most of the replies on this thread, and while I agree that sometimes it is poor planning...there are many times that the cost of living is higher than the income.
                In California, rent is CRAZY expensive, and just to have a place to live, you have to have as many people in an apartment or house as possible to get rent covered. I know when I was a student, taking 18 units and working 3 jobs, I was still broke all the time. Those jobs (admin assistant, telephone banker etc) didn't pay very much. I never went out, unless it was a free activity, and I didn't have money or credit cards to go shopping. If I had parents to stay with, my god, I would've, but I didn't have that choice. I sure wish there were better options for kids like I used to be who really are struggling to make ends meet, and still want to make life better for themselves. I suppose I could've moved to Arizona or Alabama where the cost of rent is cheaper, but that would've cost more money to move that I didn't have.
                Anyway, I just wanted to say sometimes the paycheck to paycheck isn't a choice.

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                • #53
                  I agree, there are times when paycheck to paycheck is not a choice. Right now I am finally in a position where I am able to try to save a little. But there were days when it was all I could do just to pay the bills. Rent is sometimes a lot higher than your paycheck! and lights are really high here. We are with ameren. Recently we had an increase. I was really lucky. Mine only went up about $80. My dtrs mil has light bills of about $400 month, and she lives alone. she doesn't waste and turns off lights and is careful about the air. she is one of the lucky ones. We have had people around here with $800 light bills, no I am not joking. It finally started leveling off about two months ago. So sometimes it is not always about waste.

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                  • #54
                    yes, because of financial illiteracy, most people live paycheck to paycheck. Even worse, most are heavily in debt and over-extended.

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                    • #55
                      i'indeavors: You can't say that because of financial illiteracy for most people. There are some who could have had an emergency medical situation come up. I can remember of there not being a cobra for health insurance. My husband switched from one job to another and didn't have insurance for at least 3 month. I became pregnant in that time.

                      There are always unplanned events that can happen; the loss of a job, new baby, illness in family, close family member needing help.

                      There are those that do earn a lot of money even though both do work and they do have a hard time making ends meet even if they do all of the right things. I have been there, I know.

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                      • #56
                        i think that many people do live paycheck to paycheck. a few of us were chatting at work one day and i mentioned that when i switched jobs to the one i have now, i had a 6 week lag between my last paycheck from the one job until the first one from the new job. one gal (about 35 yrs old I would say) looked at me and said in horror, "Whoa - I couldn't imagine making one paycheck last for 6 weeks!" i was astonished.

                        i agree that lack of education is one thing......i graduated high school about 10 years ago and we didn't learn anything about money. i couldn't figure out how to write checks for the longest time. if a family is frank about money and wants to help their children learn, that is one thing, but i find that in many families, especially those with some hardships where money education would matter the most, it is not talked about.

                        maybe the saddest story i have seen was that of a college classmate. she came from privilege and had never had to work. her father paid for her entire education ($100K) and her parents (who were divorced) both sent her a generous allowance every month. we were so jealous that she always had money to go out and do fun things! she was apparently left to fly solo upon graduation. she got a job waiting tables, and 3-4 credit cards instantly to keep up her standard of living. i went to her house once and saw months worth of bills sitting in a giant pile...i think she had no idea what she had gotten herself into.

                        i think that a lot of the times, people think that money is not something to be talked about, even with one's children, which is a real shame, and something i hope to be able to do right when i have kids of my own.

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                        • #57
                          Aside from the obvious ease of getting into credit card hell, it seems money does not go as far today as in...let's say...the 50's. Expendable income has gone down...paychecks have not kept up with house prices and costs of living etc. in the last 50 years. just my 2 cents.

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                          • #58
                            When I was first married at age 20, I almost lived paycheck to paycheck because we made so little money. Even working full time I only made about $2500 a year. We had to pay rent, utilities, car payment, etc.
                            However, I always managed to save a few dollars to add to savings every week. It took me about 18 months but I saved enough to put a down payment on a new house.

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                            • #59
                              It has also been said that people in the fifties paid (according to what we have today) less than we do today and women could choose to stay home to raise kids. It was also said that more families could afford to take vacations back then. There's alot more pressures on people today to work, not to mention all the expensive toys that parents feel like they have to buy for their kids. I think turning off the TV once in a while with all of the ads would help that situation a bit.

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                              • #60
                                I've heard it said, and I agree, we can not afford afluency.

                                Too many things to buy I guess.

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