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    Jude Werra who has an executive search firm says that the most common lie on resumes they receive is the claim to have an advanced degree at a school the applicant never even attended. Every year, by investigating applicants' educational claims, she tracks the percentage who make such a lie. She call it the Liars Index.

    What percentage lie about advanced degrees? Wanna take a guess?
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    The range has been 10.73 to 23.3 %

    A friend of mine was taking resume writing advice from someone who worked in another area of her own institution. She told me that this person advised her that "you've got to lie." And she told my friend how she had totally made up work experience to get the job she had--to switch careers, in fact. I am so surprised not only that someone would tell the number and detail of lies that she evidently did, but that she would go telling a third party about it so casually.

    As time has gone on, my friend has become aware of other people at her work place (bio research) who have lied about qualifications. She's mad about it.

    If I ever ran into this, I was pleasantly ignorant. But then, it might explain some of the incompetence I've run into. But how do people get away with it? Do employers never really check resume facts? Do employers have any idea how often they are being lied to?

    Oh, Jude Werra says the second most common type of resume lie is work assignments and job titles.

    I'll have to see if I can find the article in which I read this. In the meantime, does this bother you? Do you think resumes are just a pile of hooey?
    Last edited by Joan.of.the.Arch; 07-03-2007, 07:06 AM. Reason: Oops, sorry. Meant to put this in General Discussion.
    "There is some ontological doubt as to whether it may even be possible in principle to nail down these things in the universe we're given to study." --text msg from my kid

    "It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men." --Frederick Douglass

  • #2
    gosh... maybe im a little naive at 24 yrs old... but i didnt know it went on like that. I feel (with my luck) that if I tried to even remotely lie on a resume I would get put in jail or something.. lol.

    wow.. do companies really not check them out???

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    • #3
      that's outrageous. I think many companies do check, so why take that kind of risk and more importantly, those people who did that weren't brought up right! It's the same self-defeating behavior at college kids who cheat on exams.

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      • #4
        Coleroo, I think I'm naive even at 48!

        Here is a late 2005 article where you can read about lies and exaggerations on resumes. Jude Werra apparently publishes his Liars Index and Liars Index News twice a year.

        Employees Lie on Resumes and Interviews
        "There is some ontological doubt as to whether it may even be possible in principle to nail down these things in the universe we're given to study." --text msg from my kid

        "It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men." --Frederick Douglass

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        • #5
          Kind of OT, but one of my favorite resume stories. My wife used to be a retail manager. One time, she called one of the references a new applicant listed on his application. The woman asked if my wife had the man's current address. Wife said yes, why? The woman explained that there was a warrant out for his arrest.

          People put all kinds of stupid stuff on their resumes.
          Steve

          * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
          * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
          * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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          • #6
            Well, this clearly does happen - in fact, there have been a few high profile cases of it in the last couple years.

            Mike Brown, former director of FEMA, for example. Guess Bush forgot to confirm his resume! Also, I believe a CEO of Radioshack was recently ousted for lying on his resume.

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            • #7
              I think it is a dreadful practice...and it explains a good deal about the incompetence surrounding my husband.

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              • #8
                My husband recently worked with a guy who took a very short online course (from an out of country location) that was titled "Bachelor's in (name of field)." Then he had on his resume that he had a bachelor's degree. He was the most worthless employee and could not do even the simplist of tasks. The company took him on his word and the guy was paid based on a Bachelors while all the truly knowledgeable folks made far less.

                When he worked in IT, I was surprised at how many people lied about certifications. Many of them could "pull it off" and knew the subject matter without having the cert, but lying about it irritates me to no end.

                DH has never been anything less than 100% honest on his resume, it's no great wonder that he's often the workhorse, but rarely the best paid. Grrr...

                Fishy

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                • #9
                  Every job I have had has run a background check on me, which includes checking out education. I thought that was the way it always worked!

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                  • #10
                    Same here, humandraydel.

                    I was always told never to lie on a job application because they would always find out. For a while I imagined the interviewers hooking the interviewees up to a polygraph.

                    I wonder how this affects the people who are honest on their applications and really did earn the degrees/certifications required?

                    Cassandra

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                    • #11
                      Years ago when I was in my early 20s, I applied for a job and got called in for an interview. I was SO excited -- it was my first post-college interview -- and the guy was very nice and friendly. As we walked towards his office, he said, "So, on your resume I noticed that you said you sailed around the British Virgin Islands in a 48ft boat. I'm into sailing myself -- how long have YOU been a sailor?"

                      I was extremely embarrassed, because although I DID go sailing around the BVI in a 48ft sailboat, I didn't actually do any of the sailing myself. Instead, my father and grandfather (lifelong sailors) did all the work; I just spent hours on deck sunning myself, and jumped into the water as soon as we anchored so I could go snorkling. I stammered and stuttered and explained that it was just a family vacation and that I wasn't actually a sailor myself. I wasn't trying to misrepresent myself, but it certainly came across as if I had attempted to. What started out as a casual getting-to-know-you question ended with awkward silence, which set the tone for the entire interview. I never got a callback. Needless to say, I immediately changed my resume afterwards to remove any sort of misleading language.

                      That was enough to teach me the lesson of being absolutely honest on your resume and not to overly embellish things in order to impress.

                      ~ Jenney

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                      • #12
                        Yikes, I can't even imagine doing something like that, but it goes deeper too. I went through a construction management program in college. The one I went through was long and very demanding. It took me 4.5 years with HEAVY loads every semester and I worked my tail off. I've heard some interesting stories about other graduates who made it through the courses somehow (probably depending on their 'group' or friends) but didn't learn what they needed to. There was one story that my professor told of a recent grad who was highered at a GREAT salary (he was a very personable guy) becuase he could run and use this software that tracted the construction project and budget. Well he was hired because he KNEW this program (we had to take a whole class on it) and hw went into a big meeting with the heads of the company....well he couldn't even get the program up and it became clear quickly that he was all talk and no action. He was fired in less then a week. He HAD the education, the degree, but HE did not LEARN what he needed while there. So it goes much deeper than just a degree or lying about things. Can you actually DO what you are suppose to. Did you LEARN what you needed to in school, or better yet did you learn HOW to learn and find the answers you needed. I know I don't know everything, but I do not doubt my ability to discover the answers I need. So make sure you can DO what you are professing to be able to do.

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                        • #13
                          I've never lied. No wonder I get such crap jobs. I'm too chicken to lie on a resume anyways. In my case, I'd be the one they'd check up on and be humiliated.

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