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  • #31
    This is a very touchy topic and includes so many other issues. I can't say what I would do in any given situation, only the situation in which I find myself. I know I have planned and prepared myself to earn a decent wage, and found a husband with the same prepardness. I have made sure there were no accidents over the past thirty+ years (okay only the last fifteen really count). And educated myself well in various birth-control methods.

    Now I can only speak for myself and what I would do, but if I was financially strapped, and felt I should have another child. There would be a long discussion between my husband and I and then we would make it a matter of prayer. If we both felt it was the 'right' thing to do, even if the numbers didn't work out as nicely as I'd like, that would not stop me. I'd have the baby. At some point, if wait until you have the money (as you see it) you would never have a child. But once you are pregagnant and the baby is here you find a way to make it work.

    As for the cost of the baby...that's a joke and a lie. There was an articel in the tighwad gazette that explained that myth and the numbers she came up with, sorry can't remember them, were much more manageable.

    I too however, am not for just having children for the sake of having children or trying to get more money from the system. To me a child is a heck of a lot more work than what the 'system' is willing to shell out. I don't think it's the government's responsiblity to pay for child after child and that doing so is not right. A child should be loved and wanted and charished...not a means of getting support.

    I feel being a parent is a self-less act. As one of my friends put it, 'I felt like I lost a bit of myself when I had my daughter.' She said that because she was never that same person again. Her life turned from what she wanted to what her daughter needed. Her life, and any parent's life, is never the same again. If you aren't willing to sacrfifice and put your childs needs in front of your own, then just don't have children. I think there was a poster that basically said this. I personally don't understand it, but I respect their choice and wisdom in understanding who they are and knowing that having a child was not the right choice for them.

    Also, I understand how 'accidents' can happen. However, I also STRONGLY know that most if not all 'accidents' can be prevented. This is mostly a matter of education, availble health care, and self-control.....all three of which are sorely lacking in many aspects of society.

    What it boils down to is that each person must make this choice for themselves and decided where they stand on the issue. It's also an opinion that will in all likelyhood be greatly influence by your own upbringing, religion, family and your life. What you feel now, may not be what you feel ten years from now either.

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    • #32
      Yes, I think you should wait until you can afford it, DH and I had to wait three years. Are there instances where that is not possible for health reasons, etc...yes for sure. Can bad things happen in spite of your best laid plans yes and in my mind that is what the welfare system is there for. Does birth control fail, yes. Do some people have religious beliefs that don't allow for contraception, yes. Personally, I am Catholic (as is DH) however I have chosen to ignore the church's ban on contraceptives because frankly I think it's archaic and stupid, but each to his own. As some have pointed out this is a complex issue and no one needs to spend the posted amount that financial pages throw out there to have a child, but it is smarter to wait until you can afford at least a baseline standard of living for you and your child. Or as my grandparents did (both sets were very poor) be willing to take on 2-3 jobs each to support the children.

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      • #33
        A lot of good points but the original topic could be applied to many
        situations that would have us pause before leaping off into financial
        oblivion.

        Can I afford to charge up these credit cards? Can I afford this
        bigger house? Can I afford to go to school and rack up a student
        loan that will be with me for decades? Can I afford to gamble?
        Can I afford this spend happy spouse?

        How many people really sit down and think of affording things.

        Our society tends to be the impulsive spend or make a decision
        now.

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        • #34
          Pearliq, I think you missed my entire point in your response to my entry. Which was that these decisions are hard to make, there is so much more of human nature that goes into these decisions than dollars and cents (and sense), and who makes them and how soon until it gets out of hand? Its not black and white or cut and dried. Humans aren't. It's easy to say be responsible for your own actions. How many people are? In the real world? I don't know more than a handful.

          And someone was talking about Eugenics. I was. In an attempt to make a point that things can get out of hand when "other people" decide what is right for people who are not themselves and whether they have a right to have children which can turn to do they have a right to exist?

          As in the judgement is made that Miss X should not have children because she is too poor. Which becomes we shouldn't let Miss X have children because she is too poor. Which becomes it is against the law for Miss X to have children as she doesn't meet the income guidelines. Which becomes Miss X got pregnant anyway, so we will take steps to see she has no more children. And maybe we should figure out a way to get rid of all the Miss X's so we no longer have to deal with this problem. (This line of thought is wrong, wrong, wrong no matter how you look at it and I'm not in anyway saying this is your line of thought at all, just trying to reiterate and explain my original point).

          This is a mindset that can happen, is the only point I was making. Look to history and you will see why I don't like broad sweeping statements like you are too poor to give birth.

          And I think you missed the entire third paragraph that agreed that there were times people shouldn't have children. I agree with that completely. But they still do it. Like my SIL who chose to get pregnant on purpose when she knew darn well her husband was going to jail because he pled guilty and they planned it anyway, that they'd also be losing their only income. And they really couldn't afford it. It was wrong and it was stupid.

          I'm just saying.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by LuckyRobin View Post
            Pearliq, I think you missed my entire point in your response to my entry.
            No, I understood your point. I just don't agree with it.

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            • #36
              Oh, okay, well in that case, we can just agree to disagree then.

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