With the Delta variant increasing should a fully vax person get different brand vax?

[QuarterMillionMan]

Gov Gavin Newsome: all public sectors vaccinate or face weekly testing beginning August.

[kork13]

[QUOTE=myrdale;n726217]

I'd like to understand the logic behind this statement.[/QUOTE]
Short story: the vaccine produces a much stronger immune response, with higher antibody levels & longer persistence, than is offered by a natural infection.

However, the natural infection certainly does offer some of that immune protection, which is why the recommendation is for people to wait at least 90 days after infection to get the vaccine, to let the infection's antibodies go down enough to still trigger a new immune response to the vaccine.

[myrdale]

[QUOTE=disneysteve;n726201]
And people who have had COVID still need the vaccine
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I'd like to understand the logic behind this statement.

[QuarterMillionMan]

[QUOTE=disneysteve;n726201]

And people who have had COVID still need the vaccine, but it's recommended that they wait 90 days after their infection.[/QUOTE]

I didn’t know they still need the vaccine. I mistakenly thought that the natural antibodies they develop is just as good as the vaccine.

[disneysteve]

[QUOTE=QuarterMillionMan;n726199]On the news a guy was in-patient for COVID and interviewed and asked if he would reconsider taking the vaccine. He still didn’t want it. I guess he won’t need it now having antibodies.[/QUOTE]

And people who have had COVID still need the vaccine, but it's recommended that they wait 90 days after their infection.

[disneysteve]

[QUOTE=QuarterMillionMan;n726199]On the news a guy was in-patient for COVID and interviewed and asked if he would reconsider taking the vaccine. He still didn’t want it. I guess he won’t need it now having antibodies.[/QUOTE]

The great thing is the people who refuse the vaccine because it "only" has emergency use authorization but when they end up with COVID, they demand the monoclonal antibody treatment, which also "only" has EUA.

[QuarterMillionMan]

On the news a guy was in-patient for COVID and interviewed and asked if he would reconsider taking the vaccine. He still didn’t want it. I guess he won’t need it now having antibodies.

[myrdale]

[QUOTE=QuarterMillionMan;n725965]
Especially, since the anti-vaxxers don't want it (I'll take it).
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This is just another example of the hysteria and fear mongering inflicted on the people of our country by a political party and the media that are driven by having absolute control. Someone questions the need and logic behind taken an unproven vaccine, therefor you must take it for that reason alone?

[QUOTE=disneysteve;n725967]
I think the main thing everyone should be doing is continuing to wear masks indoors and in crowds.
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Fauci, himself stated mask were pointless.

[QUOTE=disneysteve;n725967]
Over 900 people who attended an outdoor music festival that required either vaccination, proof of immunity, or a negative test, all came up positive for COVID after the festival.
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So... you're saying the antivaxers are right?

There are 300 Million people in the United States. 50% of the population has been immunized. Atleast 10% have had the virus, and the number is probably double to triple that.

Despite my reservations I did get the vaccine just because I couldn't see a down side to it. I've worn a mask on exactly three occasions, each time while in a hospital over the past year and a half and that's it. I eat out on a regular basis and I have not adjusted my personal routines in the least.

If you want to get a new vaccination every other month go for it, I'm sure Pfizer would love to sale you another dose. I hope you pay for it out of pocket, instead of burdening the tax payer or the insurance company members. If you think wearing a mask, especially after you've been vaccinated, protects you, go for it, but don't expect me to accept your the delusional reality.

[disneysteve]

[QUOTE=Snydley;n725997]

Interesting, I haven't heard of this many infections at all from fully vaccinated

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I belong to an online national urgent care provider group and there are pretty much daily posts about how many positive COVID tests people are seeing in fully vaccinated patients that are coming in. Based on that alone, it seems to be increasingly common. It will be some time before official data catches up and we get details of which vaccine people had, how long post vaccination the infections occurred, etc. All of this is still quite new.

[Snydley]

[QUOTE=disneysteve;n725991]

Yes, medical facilities around the world are seeing thousands and thousands of vaccinated patients coming in symptomatic and testing positive for COVID. Almost entirely relatively mild cases but cases none the less. [B]I personally know several people who got COVID despite being fully vaccinated [/B](including one who then passed it on to her wife who wasn't yet vaccinated) and I have seen a couple at work, though I've been on a leave of absence for the past 2 months so I haven't really worked since the Delta variant hit full force. I go back tomorrow and have no doubt that I will be seeing more going forward.

[B]The vaccine works extremely well at preventing serious illness, hospitalization, and death. It works less well at preventing infection and more mild illness. In that regard, it's really not all that different than the flu shot.[/B] Every year I see dozens of patients with the flu despite having been vaccinated but they are generally less serious cases.

I do have one friend who works at Rush Medical Center in Chicago. She said the number of hospitalized COVID patients has shot up in recent weeks. Most are unvaccinated but there are a few who are vaccinated. I don't know the details but a "mild" case in a patient with pre-existing medical problems can easily turn out to be not so mild. If someone with COPD and heart disease gets COVID despite being vaccinated, they may still end up in the hospital.

WEAR A MASK! It's a pretty simple thing to do. And by all means, if you haven't gotten vaccinated yet, do it ASAP![/QUOTE]

Interesting, I haven't heard of this many infections at all from fully vaccinated with mRNA vaccines, and Moderna and Pfizer work much much better than flu shots at preventing infections (95% of adults and 100% of 12-15 year olds in the trials). J and J I would expect more symptomatic breakthrogh cases.

[Snydley]

[QUOTE=disneysteve;n725995]

Well yeah, though tens or hundreds of thousands more might die in the process. And we're not yet sure if you develop lasting immunity after infection.[/QUOTE]

I'm thinking herd immunity could kick in by the fall as ~30% of the US has been infected and the new infections are mostly hitting the unvaccinated. Immunity is holding up well in the previously infected, with reinfection rates ~0.7% as I understand. I can't believe the amount of vaccine hesitancy. I've heard from multiple people "I just don't know enough about this vaccine yet" ?? We know the virus can wind up in your brain, you want that?

[disneysteve]

[QUOTE=QuarterMillionMan;n725994]

Natural herd immunity

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Well yeah, though tens or hundreds of thousands more might die in the process. And we're not yet sure if you develop lasting immunity after infection.

[QuarterMillionMan]

[QUOTE=disneysteve;n725992]

The only way to fix this is with the vaccine.[/QUOTE]

Natural herd immunity would be another way to fix this albeit it will take a lot longer. The Spanish flu of 1918 was a good example of herd immunity since I don't think the medical technology at the time invented vaccinations, although I could be wrong.

[Like2Plan]

[QUOTE=rennigade;n725982]
...The mental strain on people is at tipping point. I know a lot of people who had covid who are better off than those who havent had it yet...[/QUOTE]

Well, I am in the older cohort and the covid virus has not been so beneficial to all those folks who I know who have survived it. I'm not really sure why, but they were fine before covid and after: memory problems, aphasia etc. The difference between living alone without help and now needing additional varying levels of help. There isn't a lot of information being put out on that (probably because folks don't know the exact mechanism of whats going wrong). Sure, surviving the disease puts you in the "win" column, but the quality of life [I]might[/I] not be the same after.

I agree with you about the mental strain. And, the media[I] is [/I]trying to sell their product. But, still I would rather know what was going on than ignoring it.

In my lifetime, I have never seen anything like this-it is truly baffling. The latest chapter is the controversy over the vaccine. Hundreds of years, vaccines have proven their effectiveness at preventing disease. I know that the polio vaccine roll out had some problems when it first came out. Now, we are on the brink of wiping out "wild" polio (not sure if we will ever get to that point, but a couple of years ago we were pretty close).

Back in the 1950's and 60’s most folks were extremely grateful that there was finally something that would be effective in preventing a really terrible disease. And, guess what-- while there were asymptomatic cases of polio, I never heard of parents opting out of the vaccine because they thought their kid might get a "light" case of polio….

[disneysteve]

[QUOTE=ua_guy;n725986]The question remains of: what next? …and how to close out the infection potential that remains?[/QUOTE]

The only way to fix this is with the vaccine. Unfortunately, you've got nearly half the population convinced vaccines are evil. We just saw the largest conservative gathering in the world and the crowd cheered when the speaker mentioned that the US had failed to meet the vaccination goal. They somehow see that as a good thing. It's insane and deeply disturbing.