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    #61
    Originally posted by QuarterMillionMan View Post
    CDC just announced no cruises until Nov 1.
    I’m not surprised. I can’t see cruises resuming until the majority of the population is vaccinated. And I expect proof of vaccination will be required to board.

    Cases are up a lot here in NJ and in many other states. As restrictions are lifted prematurely, we go backwards.
    Steve

    * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
    * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
    * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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      #62
      Agreed proof of vaccination would be a good idea. With proof CDC should allow cruises to operate sooner than the Nov 1 date. Biden said by July 4 he expects gatherings and BBQ to resume. CDC should allow cruises as well to resume operations July 4 with proof of vaccinations (or even sooner). Nov 1 is a long time away.

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        #63
        Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

        That's the maddening part about this. We shouldn't have 50 sets of rules. In reality, it's even more than that because some cities have their own rules that differ from their state rules.

        This is a national emergency. There should be one single uniform national response. Your ability to get vaccinated shouldn't be impacted by where you happen to live.
        I feel strongly both ways. Navigating the complex rules from each locality is really tough. But, then on the other hand, should Alaska and New Mexico be held back because another state can not keep up?
        Also, each state has their own unique set of challenges. There may be a higher percentage of vulnerable groups in one state or another so it might be difficult to make it one size fits all.

        https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-in-your-state

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          #64
          Originally posted by Like2Plan View Post

          on the other hand, should Alaska and New Mexico be held back because another state can not keep up?
          Also, each state has their own unique set of challenges. There may be a higher percentage of vulnerable groups in one state or another so it might be difficult to make it one size fits all.
          Why would anyone be held back? If one state has a higher percentage of people in a particular group, it might take them longer to work through that tier. That wouldn't stop another state from moving more quickly to the next tier.

          The CDC came out with the tiers first. That's the guidance that was given to the states, which they promptly ignored and each made up their own rules. We can't keep ignoring science and facts and experts. What's the point of having a world-renowned agency like the CDC if nobody is going to listen to them?

          We're seeing this at work in a different way - employers ignoring CDC guidelines regarding how long employees with COVID need to be out of work and when they are allowed to return. Numerous employers have made up a rule that an employee can't come back without a negative test. Great, except once you have COVID, you can continue to test positive for as long as 3 months even though you're only contagious for 10 days.
          Steve

          * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
          * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
          * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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            #65
            Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

            The CDC came out with the tiers first. That's the guidance that was given to the states, which they promptly ignored and each made up their own rules. We can't keep ignoring science and facts and experts. What's the point of having a world-renowned agency like the CDC if nobody is going to listen to them?

            We're seeing this at work in a different way - employers ignoring CDC guidelines regarding how long employees with COVID need to be out of work and when they are allowed to return. Numerous employers have made up a rule that an employee can't come back without a negative test. Great, except once you have COVID, you can continue to test positive for as long as 3 months even though you're only contagious for 10 days.
            Ah, I see what you are saying. I thought you were referring to some places advancing to the next phase faster than others.

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              #66
              Navajo Nation leads the way in vaccinations.

              "Navajo Nation reports no new daily Covid cases, deaths for the first time in six months"
              https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/nava...x-months-.html

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                #67
                With the CDC vaccination card I see a loophole where if someone gets the 1st dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna shot, they can write in a fraudulent 2nd dose themselves without ever getting the 2nd dose. Of course they would only be cheating themselves but if they need the "fully vaccinated" CDC card to board a plane it could easily be done.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by QuarterMillionMan View Post
                  With the CDC vaccination card I see a loophole where if someone gets the 1st dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna shot, they can write in a fraudulent 2nd dose themselves without ever getting the 2nd dose. Of course they would only be cheating themselves but if they need the "fully vaccinated" CDC card to board a plane it could easily be done.
                  I've also seen reports of people using photos online to make fake cards.

                  People suck.

                  The good news is that as of 2 days ago, over 133 million doses have been given in the US and about 47.4 million people are fully vaccinated, 14.45% of the population. The number of doses is climbing by 2-3 million each day.
                  Steve

                  * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                  * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                  * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by QuarterMillionMan View Post
                    With the CDC vaccination card I see a loophole where if someone gets the 1st dose of either the Pfizer or Moderna shot, they can write in a fraudulent 2nd dose themselves without ever getting the 2nd dose. Of course they would only be cheating themselves but if they need the "fully vaccinated" CDC card to board a plane it could easily be done.
                    I think if a person felt strongly about only getting one dose, maybe they might be inclined to get the JNJ vaccine instead? They would be "cleared" sooner, too. Because Pfizer has a 3 week interval between doses and Moderna has a 4 week interval between doses.

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                      #70
                      I saw this on CNBC:
                      Free Krispy Kreme doughnuts, popcorn and even marijuana — businesses pile on more perks for getting vaccinated

                      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/23/here...aboolainternal

                      https://www.krispykreme.com/promos/s...n=SweetSupport

                      https://www.instagram.com/p/CMvi9pfptmY/

                      https://www.marketgardenbrewery.com/beer-and-the-shot

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                        #71
                        I received my second dose of vaccine today!

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                          #72
                          Congrats L2P, oh now you can get a free Krispy Kreme doughnut.

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                            #73
                            Received my first dose on Friday!

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by disneysteve View Post

                              I’m not surprised. I can’t see cruises resuming until the majority of the population is vaccinated. And I expect proof of vaccination will be required to board.

                              Cases are up a lot here in NJ and in many other states. As restrictions are lifted prematurely, we go backwards.
                              I’m not sure what restrictions you are referring to, but if you do even a cursory comparison of all the states, regardless of their restrictions or lack thereof, the outcomes and trend lines are remarkably similar. Human behavior isn’t altering the behavior of this virus.

                              Furthermore, the various restrictions were originally imposed to “flatten the curve” (which they didn’t), AND by doing so, keeping the hospitals from being overrun.

                              In terms of the effectiveness of the masks, even the CDC’s own data, published (buried) in a December report, stated that masks “may” have “helped prevent” the spread of COVID by as much as 1.5% per day. Not 50,40,30,20,10, or even 5 percent. 1.5 percent. And that’s a “may have”.

                              Today, the folks who were in any sort of vulnerable risk category have had the chance to receive a vaccine. While cases could be rising or falling week to week, CNN isn’t reporting that hospitalizations and deaths are plummeting. That’s because COVID is about like the flu for the 40-and-under crowd, who isn’t yet vaccinated.

                              Simultaneously, some states are moving toward masking as a permanent new normal. That’s sad. This used to be a free country.
                              Last edited by TexasHusker; 03-28-2021, 02:26 PM.
                              Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

                              -George Carlin

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by Like2Plan View Post

                                I think if a person felt strongly about only getting one dose, maybe they might be inclined to get the JNJ vaccine instead? They would be "cleared" sooner, too. Because Pfizer has a 3 week interval between doses and Moderna has a 4 week interval between doses.
                                Studies are showing Pfizer and Moderna to have 90+ percent efficacy 28 days after the first shot. So those two are far more effective vaccines even after just one shot, than the old technology J&J vaccine.
                                Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

                                -George Carlin

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