how much have you paid for a car and what would you pay for a car?

[msomnipotent]

What did you dislike about the Subaru? Was it unreliable?

The safety features were unreliable. The last straw came when it thought moderate rain was an obstacle and slammed on the brakes on a busy highway. It also went into X mode several times. I'm not exactly sure of all the reasons why it would go into X mode, but one reason is if you do not put the gas cap on exactly right. Not just a little loose or too tight, but EXACTLY right. It will suddenly shut itself off without warning and won't restart until you try to restart 5 times (at least that is what the lousy dealership told us but sometimes it didn't work). It also happens either an hour or a few days from when you last got gas so it is a big surprise when it happens, especially when half of your car is sticking out into the busiest street in the county with cars coming at you 50 mph+ and you suddenly can't move. There were a lot of things wrong with it and the dealership would either say that is just how Subarus are, they can't replicate the problem, or I didn't put the gas cap on right. They even tried to tell me the problems we were having with the display were because of the gas cap.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

You should start looking at resell values of Teslas and will soon come to the conclusion that buying any other electric car is essentially throwing money away. It's way happen when a company priorities software updates so a 2016 Model 3 has all the same features as the 2020 Model 3(including the increase in horsepower that came OTA).

It's pretty cheap electric cars and had to argue that you can come out ahead when you buy a $14k electric car versus $40k model 3. Maybe when model 3 is used, but I'm not sure. I mean the gas savings is the saving they are both electric and same maintenance. So in theory you just have to get better value. I can see the point of the other electric car companies. I was tempted to have my DH pick up a used electric commuting car. We discussed it seriously because it was so cheap.

[Petunia 100]

Our newest was $53,000, but it came out to about $41,000 with the employee discount. I would do it again. All of us love the new car and we got used to the higher-end bells and whistles pretty darn quickly. Just my 2 cents, but I got rid of our Outback to get our new car and I would never buy a Subaru again.

What did you dislike about the Subaru? Was it unreliable?

[Singuy]

OOOOOOOOO!!!!! OOOHHHH!!! I KNOW!!!! You should get a Tesla CyberTruck!!

::shudder::

Whatever visual designer created that monstrosity should be drug into an alley, shot, and his corpse towed behind said vehicle.

Cybertruck is more of a marketing genius than anything, creating the most traffic for Tesla in it's entire history. It's also an extremely good company truck that does a lot of marketing (you know the decals that get you to call them for lawn service or roof repairs). There's no way people are not going to look at that truck...and while they look at the truck, plenty of eyeballs are looking at your advertisement as well.

[Singuy]

my issue has been cost of electric cars has been substantially more than any IC car. It hasn't been worth investing in. However with it becoming more widespread in the sense that more companies are making cheaper electric cars I think it's worth looking into. I mean i could and still can't justify a $55k tesla model 3. How long will it take to beat a 3 year old camry or accord or if you were really cheap civic/corolla. Also how long would it take to beat even a used electric BMW i3? Even the cheapest tesla model 3 is $39k and with taxes for me that's around $43k. People who like cars buy them.

Friends who want an electric car usually buy a leaf, bmw i3, volt/bolt, etc. DH's 2 coworkers bought a bmw i3 and Kia niro. BMW used for $12k and Kia new for like $20k. So even then how do you beat the bmw with the tesla? That's a lot of $$$ that you have to make up for an electric car. And if you say "it's self-driving!" The response is then it's not $39k base price before taxes and fees. So you are starting at a higher price point for a better car yes, but it's a lot more money to get the longer range, self driving, etc. Or a lot of friends have prius that they bought and kept forever.

DH and I keep toying with it. I'm debating the Y but I think it's just really going to be $60k and i'm not sure i can spend that versus looking even at other electric cars.

You should start looking at resell values of Teslas and will soon come to the conclusion that buying any other electric car is essentially throwing money away. It's way happen when a company priorities software updates so a 2016 Model 3 has all the same features as the 2020 Model 3(including the increase in horsepower that came OTA).

[kork13]

At this point I'm pointing for Tesla to make a motorcycle like in Tron: Legacy.

Now THAT might actually turn out really cool! You should jump on Twitter and pitch the idea to Elon Musk.

[cypher1]

OOOOOOOOO!!!!! OOOHHHH!!! I KNOW!!!! You should get a Tesla CyberTruck!!

::shudder::

Whatever visual designer created that monstrosity should be drug into an alley, shot, and his corpse towed behind said vehicle.

When my friend showed me the pic and started bragging about the design, I tried holding back from laughing but couldn't do it. I pictured an older episode of the Simpsons where Homer designs his own custom car.

At this point I'm pointing for Tesla to make a motorcycle like in Tron: Legacy.

[terri77]

My last car I paid about $24k & that’s about as much as I would want to pay for my next car.

[kork13]

Apparently the inspiration came from Bladerunner.

I suppose I could believe it, though I have no idea why they'd do such a thing. It would at least explain the release date -- Blade Runner was set in November 2019.

[bjl584]

OOOOOOOOO!!!!! OOOHHHH!!! I KNOW!!!! You should get a Tesla CyberTruck!!

::shudder::

Whatever visual designer created that monstrosity should be drug into an alley, shot, and his corpse towed behind said vehicle.

I saw that.
It's a little crazy looking.
Sort of like a Honda Ridgeline from the future.
Apparently the inspiration came from Bladerunner.

Ford and GM are happy I'm sure.
I'm not sure how well an electric truck would do once you start trying to tow and haul heavy payloads with it.
I'll keep my diesel.....

[kork13]

OOOOOOOOO!!!!! OOOHHHH!!! I KNOW!!!! You should get a Tesla CyberTruck!!

::shudder::

Whatever visual designer created that monstrosity should be drug into an alley, shot, and his corpse towed behind said vehicle.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

my issue has been cost of electric cars has been substantially more than any IC car. It hasn't been worth investing in. However with it becoming more widespread in the sense that more companies are making cheaper electric cars I think it's worth looking into. I mean i could and still can't justify a $55k tesla model 3. How long will it take to beat a 3 year old camry or accord or if you were really cheap civic/corolla. Also how long would it take to beat even a used electric BMW i3? Even the cheapest tesla model 3 is $39k and with taxes for me that's around $43k. People who like cars buy them.

Friends who want an electric car usually buy a leaf, bmw i3, volt/bolt, etc. DH's 2 coworkers bought a bmw i3 and Kia niro. BMW used for $12k and Kia new for like $20k. So even then how do you beat the bmw with the tesla? That's a lot of $$$ that you have to make up for an electric car. And if you say "it's self-driving!" The response is then it's not $39k base price before taxes and fees. So you are starting at a higher price point for a better car yes, but it's a lot more money to get the longer range, self driving, etc. Or a lot of friends have prius that they bought and kept forever.

DH and I keep toying with it. I'm debating the Y but I think it's just really going to be $60k and i'm not sure i can spend that versus looking even at other electric cars.

[bjl584]

Exactly. I have a FuelRod charger for my phone. They sell them at airports, theme parks, etc. I can charge it myself or I can take a run down one to a kiosk, pop it in, and get a freshly charged one in an instant. We need the auto version of that.

Swapping car batteries might be logistically cumbersome.
Inventing a technology that could charge the battery super fast (say, the same amount of time that it takes to fill a gas tank) might make more sense.
A few quick charge stations along side gasoline pumps at every major gas station, and you would have the infrastructure to support wide use of electric cars.

Whether or not electric cars are better for the environment is another debate entirely, but if you want widespread adoption, then you need a super fast way to recharge them and plentiful charge stations.

[disneysteve]

Kind of like battery powered hand tools. I can swap a battery on my drill and be back in business in a few seconds. Even your phone can be usable in a few minutes when drained.

Exactly. I have a FuelRod charger for my phone. They sell them at airports, theme parks, etc. I can charge it myself or I can take a run down one to a kiosk, pop it in, and get a freshly charged one in an instant. We need the auto version of that.

[JoeP]

In order for e-vehicles to be widely used, the manufacturers need to adopt a standard battery pack that can be quickly and easily swapped out at any gas station anywhere. Running low on juice? Pull in just as you would to fill your tank. An attendant pulls out your battery and drops in a new one and you're on your way.

It can't require specialized charging stations and it can't take 30 minutes or more.

Kind of like battery powered hand tools. I can swap a battery on my drill and be back in business in a few seconds. Even your phone can be usable in a few minutes when drained.

I'll also add needed support for running out in the middle of nowhere. With my car, someone can bring a 1 gallon jug of fuel and rescue me. The time and cost for this is currently very low. How is this done with electric cars, does someone need to bring a generator? Would a battery swap while pulled over on the shoulder even be feasible due to weight and logistics of installing?