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    #46
    [QUOTE=rennigade;n726302]If you're vaccinated, you're good to go. Again, turn off the news. Its warping everyones mind.[/QUOTE]
    I agree with this 100%. However, regardless of the degree to which it does or does not make sense, mask mandates are snapping back and it's going to drive conflict (driven partly by annoyance/frustration from those required to wear a mask even while vaccinated -- myself for one). Solution: Actually get sufficient people vaccinated to get it properly under control.
    "Praestantia per minutus" ... "Acta non verba"

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      #47
      It's actually a good thing that people are divided about getting a covid shot. What else would everyone here have to complain about? Our lives are so easy, this prevents us from seeking recreational aggression. Now everyone at least has something to be mad about. It's a good distraction for most people's dull lives.

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        #48
        Los Angeles Unified school district (LAUSD) will require weekly testing regardless of vax status, which seems ridiculous to me. It doesn't affect me but seems to defy logic of getting the vaccine.

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          #49
          [QUOTE=QuarterMillionMan;n726308]Los Angeles Unified school district (LAUSD) will require weekly testing regardless of vax status, which seems ridiculous to me. It doesn't affect me but seems to defy logic of getting the vaccine.[/QUOTE]

          It doesn't defy logic of getting the vaccine. What it does is identify known positives so they and those exposed to them can quarantine. Remember, a vaccinated person can still carry and spread the virus, but the vaccine prevents serious illness and death for the vaccinated carrier. The unvaccinated take their own chances. Personally I think it's a waste of time and money at this point, but the idea is to limit spread to unvaccinated individuals.

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            #50
            For the LAUSD it should be those who are unvaccinated will be required to test weekly, not regardless of vax status everyone will be tested.

            BTW if the unvaccinated get COVID and end up in the hospital or worse, that is their problem, not mine.
            Last edited by QuarterMillionMan; 07-29-2021, 07:24 PM.

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              #51
              My state (and others) recently re-stated that the vaccine does not prevent you from catching or spreading Covid. It only lessens the symptoms for yourself and lowers YOUR chances of death. As Rennigade said it is ridiculous to be angry over unvaccinated people. If you are vaccinated you are protected, why worry about others? Live your life and move on. If someone decides not to get the vaccine they are only putting themselves at risk of worst symptoms or death and obviously they have made that choice and are okay with it. I can not for the life of me understand how all the blame is put on unvaccinated people. Vaccinated people can spread it too. But somehow all the breakthrough cases are the unvaccinated's fault?

              Which way is it? Does the vaccine keep you from spreading it or not? If not, then get vaccinated and let the unvaccinated deal with their own consequences.

              I say this as an immune-compromised person, whose parent is a frontline healthcare worker. I have lost several relatives to Covid, and even today I found out my aunt and uncle both have it.... I still say, my body my choice.

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                #52
                [QUOTE=klarose;n726317]My state (and others) recently re-stated that the vaccine does not prevent you from catching or spreading Covid. It only lessens the symptoms for yourself and lowers YOUR chances of death. As Rennigade said it is ridiculous to be angry over unvaccinated people. If you are vaccinated you are protected, why worry about others? Live your life and move on. If someone decides not to get the vaccine they are only putting themselves at risk of worst symptoms or death and obviously they have made that choice and are okay with it. I can not for the life of me understand how all the blame is put on unvaccinated people. Vaccinated people can spread it too. But somehow all the breakthrough cases are the unvaccinated's fault?

                Which way is it? Does the vaccine keep you from spreading it or not? If not, then get vaccinated and let the unvaccinated deal with their own consequences.

                I say this as an immune-compromised person, whose parent is a frontline healthcare worker. I have lost several relatives to Covid, and even today I found out my aunt and uncle both have it.... I still say, my body my choice.[/QUOTE]

                I'll bite because I've said the same thing above, twice now. I couldn't care less if the unvaccinated go kill themselves with whatever reason they use to refuse the vaccine, if that was the only consequence. It's the fact that they are impacting the economic recovery, wasting taxpayer money, and burdening our healthcare systems with their stupidity. They have a choice to not get vaccinated, which they believe is "freedom" and "personal choice", yet it directly impacts, and costs others money. Worse, it could lead to cultivating a stronger variant which puts vaccinated people at risk or renders current vaccines ineffective. We're back to wearing masks again because, plague rats.

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                  #53
                  [QUOTE=klarose;n726317]If you are vaccinated you are protected, why worry about others?[/QUOTE]

                  I truly struggle to understand this mindset.

                  Yes, I'm vaccinated, but I can still get COVID. I know plenty of vaccinated people who have. Even if I get a relatively mild case, it still means 10 days out of work, 10 days isolating from my family, 10 days where I can't do anything or go anywhere or see anyone. No thanks. I'd like to avoid that if at all possible. So I'll continue to wear a mask in public. It would help a great deal if everyone got vaccinated because then the risk of catching the virus would be minimal. In many places right now, your chances are still very high.

                  Why worry about others? Because what others do directly impacts me and everyone else. The world would be a far better place if people stopped thinking only about themselves and actually cared about others.

                  If today's twisted mindset was prevalent decades ago, we'd still have smallpox and polio. Thankfully people were smarter back then and cared about being part of the solution.
                  Steve

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                    #54
                    [QUOTE=klarose;n726317]Does the vaccine keep you from spreading it or not? [/QUOTE]

                    According to data released today, the vaccine does not keep you from spreading it. Your viral load can be just as high as those who are not vaccinated. Even more reason to be careful.
                    Steve

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                    * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
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                      #55
                      [USER="5846"]disneysteve[/USER] , do we have a reference to the data? Like a link or something?
                      james.c.hendrickson@gmail.com
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                        #56
                        [QUOTE=james.hendrickson;n726321][USER="5846"]disneysteve[/USER] , do we have a reference to the data? Like a link or something?[/QUOTE]

                        [url]https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/07/30/1022867219/cdc-study-provincetown-delta-vaccinated-breakthrough-mask-guidance[/url]
                        Steve

                        * Despite the high cost of living, it remains very popular.
                        * Why should I pay for my daughter's education when she already knows everything?
                        * There are no shortcuts to anywhere worth going.

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                          #57
                          Here is an excerpt from the article, its sobering:

                          [QUOTE]When revising its mask guidance this week to urge even vaccinated people to wear masks indoors in much of the country, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was criticized for not citing data in making that move.

                          Now it has — and the data is sobering.

                          The study details a COVID-19 outbreak that started July 3 in Provincetown, Mass., involving 469 cases. It found that three-quarters of cases occurred in fully vaccinated people. Massachusetts has a high rate of vaccination: about 69% among eligible adults in the state at the time of the study.

                          It also found no significant difference in the viral load present in the breakthrough infections occurring in fully vaccinated people and the other cases, suggesting the viral load of vaccinated and unvaccinated persons infected with the coronavirus is similar.
                          [URL=https://www.npr.org/2021/07/29/1022580439/a-cdc-internal-report-says-the-delta-variant-is-more-transmissible-than-a-cold][IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/media.npr.org\/assets\/img\/2021\/07\/29\/ap21210101465242_sq-f01d761fd78b3e8ecc6d607d3f6fb36b3e421730-s600-c85.jpg"}[/IMG2][/URL]

                          The CDC said the finding that fully vaccinated people could spread the virus was behind its move to change its mask guidance.

                          "High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus," Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC's director, said in a statement Friday.

                          "This finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to CDC's updated mask recommendation. The masking recommendation was updated to ensure the vaccinated public would not unknowingly transmit virus to others, including their unvaccinated or immunocompromised loved ones," Walensky said.[/QUOTE]
                          james.c.hendrickson@gmail.com
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                            #58
                            [QUOTE=disneysteve;n726319]

                            If today's twisted mindset was prevalent decades ago, we'd still have smallpox and polio. Thankfully people were smarter back then and cared about being part of the solution.[/QUOTE]

                            Smallpox killed 30% of everyone who got it. To even compare covid to smallpox is silly. People had good reason to get vaccinated then.

                            It's sad that this whole pandemic has become so heated and politicized. It's sad that a year ago if you said the virus leaked from a lab you were racist. Now, everyone is on board with the virus leaking because of a new administration. When did everyone start hating everyone and everything? Trump sucks, Fauci sucks, Biden sucks. If you think one is better than the other then you suck.

                            I received the vaccine around 2 months ago. I did it for selfish reasons (traveling.). I tell people who aren't vaccinated it's your choice. Do whatever you want. It's not a death sentence. You're an adult. You have the freedom to decide for yourself. That's what makes america awesome.

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                              #59
                              [QUOTE=rennigade;n726324]

                              Smallpox killed 30% of everyone who got it. To even compare covid to smallpox is silly. People had good reason to get vaccinated then.

                              It's sad that this whole pandemic has become so heated and politicized. It's sad that a year ago if you said the virus leaked from a lab you were racist. Now, everyone is on board with the virus leaking because of a new administration. When did everyone start hating everyone and everything? Trump sucks, Fauci sucks, Biden sucks. If you think one is better than the other then you suck.

                              I received the vaccine around 2 months ago. I did it for selfish reasons (traveling.). I tell people who aren't vaccinated it's your choice. Do whatever you want. It's not a death sentence. You're an adult. You have the freedom to decide for yourself. That's what makes america awesome. [/QUOTE]

                              I really don't think that's correct. When people talked about a "lab leak" last year, it was in the context of punishing China and even Chinese Americans (literally, assaulting Asian-looking people on the street) based on an unproven hypothesis. The new administration committed to following leads and conducting a proper investigation, although the evidence doesn't seem that compelling--yet. There's still a VERY good chance it was natural. But more than half the country now considers themselves senior experts in virology and epidemiology, yet they can't explain how the vaccine works. Is it possible it's a lab leak? You're hearing this from the mouth of bleeding-heart liberal, sure, it's possible. It does not mean we treat our own Americans of Asian descent with disrespect, or assault them in the streets.

                              The best analogy I can make is playing with fireworks in an area that has experienced extreme drought, where fire danger and wildfire risk is extreme. People who choose to play with fireworks in those conditions anyway are putting everyone at risk. And people do it every year, every 4th of July, no matter the danger to others, no matter the cost to public safety, or ruining people's lives, nobody will stop them from burning down the place because nobody is going to tell them otherwise. 'Merica. It's literally one of the worst parts of the human condition I've ever witnessed, and here we are with something quite serious.

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                                #60
                                [QUOTE=disneysteve;n726201]

                                And people who have had COVID still need the vaccine, but it's recommended that they wait 90 days after their infection.[/QUOTE]

                                Do you find that people who are fully vaccinated and have still come back positive have a much less of a reaction to the covid or not? I know many people have different reactions to the disease some get deathly ill or die and others barely feel ill so does the vaccine just make it less symptomatic?

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