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Old 02-27-2008, 02:18 PM
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Red face 21 yrs old and Need a Plan!!!! Help?

Well, i am 21 yrs old. I want to start saving for my future and i dont know how to go about it.

I make $2000 a month, and after i pay rent $820, the phone bill $45, bge $200, and food $200, i have about $735 left over.

I dont have any debt at all, no credit cards at all, no other bills i have to pay and can u believe it, i still havent saved a dime.

I love to shop online. when i am at work, i just shop and shop and shop. this past monday, i purchased over 5 items online. all at different websites.

Guess what? I am a certified financial counselor...yeah how bout that?
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:37 PM
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I am assuming the 2K is your monthly net. With that, this isn't anything you haven't already heard or told someone since you mentioned you are a certified financial counselor. First I would begin by socking away a few thousand dollars for an emergency fund. It looks like your expenses are about $1300 a month so a few months of savings would be wise. Then, do you have a 401K at work? If you do, put in at least enough to get the match. If not, what about opening a traditional IRA or Roth IRA. I would go with the roth as you are not in a high tax bracket now and I assume you aspire to be in one when you are older - or you probably wouldn't be asking for advice. You could set it up to have so much money funneled in to your IRA monthly. From what it sounds like, you just see the money sitting there and know you can blow it without getting into any major problems. That's why I would try to make it "automatic" and have your savings taken out as soon as you get your paycheck. That way you won't miss it. By the way, keep some money to blow on your impulse online buys. Your 21 and can't save everything. If that's what you want to blow cash on, then do it - just do it wisely which means AFTER you are saving.
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:41 PM
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(1) Do you particpate up to your employers match in your 401(k)? Start this immediately. No matter what.

(2) Consider getting a roommate. You could decrease your monthly expenses by $410! That would be an additional $4,920/year! Plus less on utilities.

(3) I highly doubt you have $735 extra per month. What about shampoo, toilet paper, medical co-pays, pet bills (if you have any pets), etc.? Try adding up that stuff up as well. This will highly help you with having a plan of action with your money. I would divide this area into "necessities" and "spending money". For myself, I spend approx. $50/month on necessities (including pet stuff) and about $60-$120/month on spending money.

(4) Lets say you end up with $500 extra each month. First build up a one month (worth of expenses) on an emergency fund in a high interest online savings account like EmigrantDirect (3.6% currently). Then decide what your priorites are: down payment, emergency fund, retirement? Perhaps do a combination. Keep putting away $200/month towards an emergency fund until you have at least 3-6 months worth. And maybe $150/month towards retirement (in a Roth IRA) and $150/month towards a down payment (create a subaccount at your online bank for this. I like Vanguard for Roth IRA's. This is just one example of how to divide up your money. Eventually, I personally have a goal of getting an 8 month emergency fund.

(5) Good job on not having any debt, but try hard to stop those online purchases. Over 5 items in one day?!?!?!

(6) Get a credit card to start building credit so you can one day buy a home. Just use it once a month on groceries or something and pay it off in full before the bill is due.

(7) What do you do for transportation? Doesn't that eat up some of your expenses as well?
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:44 PM
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I would divide the $735 into 3 categories

1) short term savings
2) spending
3) long term savings

You need to decide what is reasonable for each of the 3 amounts.

Maybe:

$135 into short term savings. This becomes emergency fund
$500 into long term savings. This becomes your retirement account (is 6k per year more than 10% of your gross pay)?
$100 into spending

Put the $635 for short and long term savings into a different bank account (direct deposit into a new checking or savings account).
Put the $100 for spending into the same account you pay your bills out of.
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:47 PM
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let me run down my expenses for you.

$2000

$820 rent
$45 phone
$16.50 wkly bus pass....no car
$200 gas & electic
$200 on food (that includes all of the necessities too)
That is really all of my expenses....

$718.50 left over at the end of the month
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Old 02-27-2008, 02:54 PM
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If you have a weekly bus pass at $16.50/week, then you would have approx. $663.51 left over at the end of the month.

$16.50 * 4.33333 weeks/month = $71.50/month on bus passes

So I think a starting point would be:
Take home pay: $2,000/month
Expenses/Bills: $1,336.50/month
Extra: Approx. $663.50/month

I would still first focus on putting up to the match in your 401(k) and starting an emergency fund.

What are your priorities, starting a down payment? Retire earlier? Combination? Other goals?
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Old 02-27-2008, 03:16 PM
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You're right...thank you for the correction.

Well my priorities, is to keep a roof over my head. I am very simple, i have to finish furnishing the apartment. i want to be able to plan future trips with my boyfriend. I do want to eventually get a home and then when 65 comes around i want to be relaxing, ya know. I dont want to regret later on that i spent all of that money like i am doing now.
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Old 02-27-2008, 03:45 PM
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Guess what? I am a certified financial counselor...yeah how bout that?
WOW! I really don't think you should have bothered mentioning that line. It kind of makes people look down just a bit.

Edit: However, you have done an awesome job on avoiding debt.

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Old 02-27-2008, 04:33 PM
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WOW! I really don't think you should have bothered mentioning that line. It kind of makes people look down just a bit.

Edit: However, you have done an awesome job on avoiding debt.
Agree about the comment, but the fact that she has no debt is probably better than 99.9% of society. So, at least she has that going for her.
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Old 02-27-2008, 04:44 PM
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yeah. i want you all to know about my situation, so i throw that out there hoping to get some good advice.....
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Old 02-27-2008, 04:45 PM
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i am actually doing better than most of my counselors here, b/c they are actually in our programs....so imagine that, but i understand what you guys mean.
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WOW! I really don't think you should have bothered mentioning that line. It kind of makes people look down just a bit.
I don't agree at all. I totally respect the OP for admitting that to us. It is important to realize that it can be very difficult to practice what you preach. MONEY or Kiplinger's did a story on this topic just last month. They interviewed a bunch of financial planners and asked about the investment advice they give their clients and then asked how they invest their own money. Many of them did the very things they regularly advised their clients not to do.
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Old 02-27-2008, 05:11 PM
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I don't agree at all. I totally respect the OP for admitting that to us. It is important to realize that it can be very difficult to practice what you preach. MONEY or Kiplinger's did a story on this topic just last month. They interviewed a bunch of financial planners and asked about the investment advice they give their clients and then asked how they invest their own money. Many of them did the very things they regularly advised their clients not to do.
A recent article was just done that was similar in asking finance professors how they invest, etc... Again, they do not practice what they preach. Many thought they would be able to beat the market, they bought and sold more often, etc... and most agreed that it was counter-productive.
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Old 02-27-2008, 05:34 PM
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Yeah, actually the no debt thing is worth more than A LOT of people think. My dad showed me this stat today that of earley retirees, 45 percent of them had fico scores over 800. So, having good credit=extremely good saver.

To m1kesgurl:I guess I was a little harsh with my comment. The thing that got to me was the thread title of needing a financial plan and then stating that you are a financial counselor. But, you are just starting your career and all you are doing is trying to get sound advice. Heck, I would be willing to bet that some of the posters on here would be overqualified to be financial planners. I am sure that because you are rightly worried about your financial situation and are young, you will end up being a great financial planner. Sorry for the lack of respect OP.

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Old 02-27-2008, 07:51 PM
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WOW! I really don't think you should have bothered mentioning that line. It kind of makes people look down just a bit.

Edit: However, you have done an awesome job on avoiding debt.
some would consider it odd; but I've seen a dentist with bad teeth, a overwieght trainer at the gym, and a cussing preacher.
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let me run down my expenses for you.

$2000

$820 rent
$45 phone
$16.50 wkly bus pass....no car
$200 gas & electic
$200 on food (that includes all of the necessities too)
That is really all of my expenses....

$718.50 left over at the end of the month

Let me give you some advice.

You have to make a plan. A medium-term investment plan.
You can't get rich overnight, or in two years, but you can improve your financial situation investing consistently for 5 years or more.

In this way, investing just $718.50 a month for 5 years, using Online Savings Accounts, can bring you more than $50,000 without much effort.

Crucial here is thinking long-term. Time is very important asset.

Your advantage is that you are young, 21, years old, and have plenty of time to make your money grow and compound over time.

Don't lose the time you have. Start saving now. And do it regularly and min. for 5 years.

You can try to trimm some expenses, freeing up some additional cash for investing.

And don't forget to pay yourself first.
Before you pay your rent, food, transportation and so on, try to pay yourself first (say $1,000 deposited in online savings account). This is the best way to success.

If you can't live without online shopping, try to buy things that hold they value and appreciate over time.
Consider gold or silver coins and bars. They can be your emergency fund too.

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Old 02-27-2008, 11:56 PM
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Some advice on where to put your saved money.

1. Bank Passbook or Statement Savings Account.
You may need $100 to open a typical bank account, which is a good place for your first $500 or so. After that, better-yielding alternatives are available.
Advantages include safety of principal and liquidity.
Note the minimum balance required to avoid fees.

2. Certificates of Deposit (CDs)
Minimum denominations are often $250 to $500.
CDs pay a fixed rate of interest (usually higher than passbook rates) for a fixed period. Generally, the longer you tie up your money, the more interest you earn. Penalties are levied for redemptions prior to maturity.

3. Christmas (Holiday) Clubs.
Banks pay little or no interest on "club" accounts and most stopped providing gifts years ago. Major advantages, however, are reinforcement of systematic savings with weekly coupon books and the ability to save small weekly amounts (e.g., $5 to $10 minimums).

4. Corporate Bonds.
Thes are IOUs issued by a company and typically sell for $1,000.
Investors receive a fixed amount of interest at regular intervals, generally every six months, until the bond matures.
Then they get back their principal.
Conservative investors should choose investment-grade securities.

5. DRIP stocks
Almost 1,000 publicly traded companies allow investors to buy stock directly from the company through dividend reinvestment plans (DRIPS).
Minimum investments are very affordable, often just $100.
For additional information, consult the book No Load Stocks by Charles Carlson.

6. Employer Retirement Plans.
Specific plans are 401(k)s for corporate employees, 403(b)s for school and nonprofit employees, and Section 457s for county and municipal government workers. Savings come right out of your paycheck. Minimum per-paycheck savings could be as little as $10 per pay period or 1% of salary. Study the investment options available to plan participants, and select some growth products (e.g., S&P 500 index funds, growth funds, growth and income funds) if retirement is 5-10 years (or more) in the future.

7. Growth and/or Income Mutual Funds
Owning shares in a mutual fund gives you an ownership interest in the stocks (growth funds), bonds (income funds), or other securities that comprise its portfolio. The fund hires a professional manager to make investment decisions. Many funds require initial deposits of $2,000 or less.
Subsequent deposits are generally much lower (e.g., $100).
Funds that require more than $2,000 often accept less for IRAs, sometimes as little as $500. Check the fund prospectus for details.

8. Individual Retirement Accounts.
IRAs are not an investment per se but, rather, a place to put products (e.g., CDs, mutual funds) selected for retirement savings.
Check Internal Revenue Service for maximum annual contribution limits.
Minimum investment amounts vary according to the investment selected, but can be as low as $250 to $500. You don't have to save the $2,000 all at once.

9. Money Market Mutual Funds
These are a type of mutual fund that invests in short-term (a year or less) debt obligations issued by governments, government agencies, and corporations.
The minimum initial investment is often $1,000 or less, and limited check-writing (e.g., minimum check size of $250 to $500) may be available.
Although the short maturity of investments in a money market fund's portfolio helps keep share prices stable, they are not insured.
People concerned about high taxes can buy shares in a tax- free money market fund issued by their state of residence.
Money market funds should not be confused with money market deposit accounts (MMDAs), which are a bank product and carry FDIC insurance.


10. Treasury Notes and Bonds
Treasury Securities are issued in denominations of $1,000.
You can purchase them directly from the Federal Reserve Bank, through its Treasury Direct System, or through a bank or brokerage firm, where you will be charged a fee of around $50.

11. Unit Investment Trusts (UITs)
Sold by brokerage firms, unit trusts are a portfolio, usually of bonds and mortgage-backed securities (e.g., Ginnie Maes), that are sold to investors in small pieces called units.
The cost of a unit is generally $1,000.
Unlike mutual funds, however, UITs are not professionally managed.
Instead, the securities in the portfolio are simply held to generate interest, which is distributed proportionately to investors.
When the bonds in a UIT mature or are called, investors get back part of their principal. When the last bond in the portfolio is redeemed, the trust ceases to exist.

12. U.S. EE Savings Bonds.
EE savings bonds can be purchased at banks and through employer payroll deduction plans.
They are purchased for one-half of their face value (e.g., $25 for a $50 bond) and come in denomintions including $50, $75, $100, $200, $500 and $1,000.
Interest is added to the value of the bonds every 6 months according to a formula based on the current yields available on Treasury Securities.
Inflation-indexed I bonds are sold at full face value (e.g. $50 for a $50 bond) in the same denominations as EE bonds.

13. Zero Coupon Bonds
"Zeros" are bonds issued by governments or corporations that sell at a deep discount to face value (generally $1,000).
Unlike other bonds that pay semiannual interest, they don't pay out anything until maturity, at which time an investor receives $1,000.
The "phantom income" (interest) that is earned until then accumulates and is taxable each year.
Investors with a 15-to-20 year time horizon can purchase a $1,000 zero for around $200 -$300, depending on the interest rate earned.
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Old 02-28-2008, 08:40 AM
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I will most likely look into 401k

That way the money is already put in there automatically and i really wont miss it too much.
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jc3900....it is okay. i really dont mind, believe me...i beat myself up more than you know. I think it is a shame that i do not follow my own words and i want to be able to, so i can be a better financial counselor for myself and others i help.
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Old 02-28-2008, 09:58 AM
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alright, here we go:

#1 (you must absolutely do this without fail) - change your username to something other than "mike's girl". C'mon...you're only 21 and Mikey won't likely be around by the time you are ready to marry (25?). Trust me. Anyway, I digress...(hope you found that humorous and not offensive)

#2 - Maximize free cash.
- open a checking account with highest stable interest available, but primary purpose would be for bill pay, etc. Even better if you can open one that gives you a $100 bonus or something like that
- open an account with GE INTEREST PLUS (geinterestplus.com). I dare you to find an account with a better interest rate over time.
- You will then keep only needed spending money in the checking account with the bulk in GE Interest Plus. You can then A) setup regular withdrawals for recurring bills (ex: insurance, car, etc) with GE Interest Plus. For the remainder that are not the same each month (ex: utilities) - transfer a lump sum from GEIP and then pay it via your checking account.

#3 - 401(k) - if a match is available, then you must obviously take it. It's stupid to do otherwise (even if you HAD debt...which you don't - awesome)

#4 - Given you age and assumed income, you should max out everything else in a Roth IRA or a Roth 401(k) if you have one. (after getting your 401(k) match). Your tax bracket is the lowest it will probably ever be in your working career and so the tax break from a regular 401(k) isn't substantial...yet. In comparison, overall tax rates are at historic lows and have only one way to go - UP! Put your money away in a Roth and you will never have to pay any taxes on the contributions / earnings. At some point, the tax breaks from pre-tax savings may be difficult to pass up...but you can worry about that WAY LATER.

I don't worry too much about the thought of emergency funds and such until I've maxed out my retirement savings (401(k), Roth IRAs, etc) - this is a hefty amount (15,500 - 401(k), and 5000 for Roth IRA in 2008). However, some people like having an emergency fund because it makes them feel better...it's really up to you, but I don't recommend it.

Although we are talking about savings, I would be remiss if I did not mention insurance. You need to make sure you are adequately insured. I'm mostly referring to things like Long-Term Disability - this is huge. Since you're only responsible for yourself right now, life insurance is less urgent if trying to make choices. I assume you've got the bases covered on car, renter's insurance, etc.

Those alone should eat up all your available cash for savings. All that other mess from F16 is nice and informative, but I think potentially cluttering what is otherwise a straightforward path from my standpoint (no offense intended to F16).

Going forward, some additional thoughts:

A) Your goal should be to max out your tax advantaged retirement savings. It's a LOT of money ($25,500 in 2008 as I mentioned). This should be at the forefront of your mind every time you get a raise, bonus, etc. Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting you don't live your life (future home, etc will undoubtedly be a conflicting priority)...but THINK about what you're doing and make sure at least SOME of it goes toward retirement. You WILL NOT MISS IT, I promise.

B) Think about when you want to retire and calculate how much you will need. It will likely shock you a bit (I'm guessing a couple of million in today's dollars is likely), BUT you will be aware of what is required and can then plan to save for it.

C) Since you have no debt, I'm not ready to suggest you spend too much. However, YOU seem to suggest that YOU think you might spend too much? THINK about what YOU WANT for your financial life. THINGS? or FINANCIAL INDEPENDENCE. It's all about trade-offs...only you can decide

D) Make sure your partner shares the same financial goals and values as you do. Otherwise, you will likely struggle...to achieve your goals...sometimes worse.

Hope some of this was helpful...good luck!
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