More Troops or come home?

[Pupart]

Want to sign a petition?

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takea...ltl=1171388315

[PRICEPLUS]

I have friends over there. I respect your right to petition but I must respectfully decline.

[Broken Arrow]

That's a highly volatile subject matter right now.

Of course, being "Foot in mouth diseased", I also can't seem to keep my mouth shut sometimes. I will only say that my personal beliefs can be summed up in the saying, "Never start a fight. But if you're already in one, never stop until you finish it."

[tinapbeana]

oh dear....

my name's bennet, and i ain't in it.
my name's joe, and i don't know.
my name's paul, and this is between ya'll.

[Homebody]

If you want to mix politics and saving money, why don't you just join The Motley Fool's site. Plenty to keep you busy over there.

For the record: My SIL came home from Iraq February 5th and no I am not signing your petition.

[Ima saver]

I respect our troops very much. My father fought in world war I and world war II.

[ozzy gurl]

Just for the record, I think it's possible to support our troops and our friends over there, and still be against the war as well as for the speedy return of everyone. I had a good friend killed over there, and I'd still sign that petition if I did such things on the Internet.

[usnavy_233]

No thanks. Regardless of why we started this war or what you think about how it's going the fact of the matter is the consequences of pulling out before the job is done are far more severe than staying and finishing the job.

[Aleta]

If you pull out now, you do what the Russians did in Aghanistan and see how the Taliban kept power and said that the Russians cut and run. I agree with Brokern Arrow that once you're in, you are there to finish it. I think that allowing Malaki or whatever his name is tell us how we conduct our war there is nuts. Else, our men there will become a Vietnam situation with their hands tied behind their backs. I'd say that they have to go in there with a lot of force and do the job right.

[gackle]

Uhhh, I guess this is financially related because we won't be spending so much money on the war if we pull the troops out. So here goes...

I fully support our troops and usnavy has hit the nail on the head. I can't understand why the people who want to pull out have such short memories. 9/11 was only 5 years ago. Don't they understand that the Islamic terrorists want us dead? They don't just want to win the battle in Iraq, they want us dead. That means they will come to our soil when we leave. It's too bad that the higher ups have tied our troops hands instead of letting us fight all out like back in the WWI and WWII days. Unfortunately there's no way to win a war if it's going to be fought in a PC type of manner. If we had gone in initially and given the terrroists what they deserved as intensely as possible, there would probably be less civilian casualties than there are now with all of the bombings.

Do you remember when Bin Laden issued threats days before the last presidential election? Do you think he wanted Bush to lose because he liked the taste of Heinz ketchup? No - it's because he knew the democrats would be soft on the terrorists. No, I don't want anymore troops to die, but fighting this fight is necessary. Tell me, do you want to fight the terrorists before they get nuclear capability or after? I guarantee they won't be hesitant to use it like we are. Iran is close to getting nuclear capabilities and there is ample evidence coming out that they are very involved in the battle for Iraq by supplying insurgents with weapons and new technology. I listened to a retired green beret last night talk about a new weapon they have in Iraq - molten copper in shells that can penetrate 17" tank armor like a hot knife cutting butter. If you want to listen to the extremely interesting and informative interview, go to http://www.krld.com, click on "audio", then "Charley Jones Interviews". Downloads are on the left under "Recent Episodes". I don't know if the ones on the website are from last night or the ones from a month ago. He has this gentleman on every month.

It looks inevitable that a democrat will be elected president in '08. I feel sorry for where our country is headed and pray that they will not turn a blind eye to the realities of our current world. God bless us all.

[gackle]

Oh, and I respectfully decline to sign your petition.

[Pupart]

[quote=gackle]Uhhh, I guess this is financially related because we won't be spending so much money on the war if we pull the troops out. So here goes...


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Hey,
I put this under General Discussion
which states:
Feel free to talk about anything and everything in this board. It doesn't even have to be about saving...

I simply wanted others who were interested, to know about this petition.
I did not state my opinion on this matter and I won't.
It is fine with me if anyone does or doesn't want to sign the petition.
There is no need to give anyone any lectures!
I think everyone in this group is old enough to make up their own mind about what is going on in the world.

[gackle]

Originally Posted by Pupart

I did not state my opinion on this matter and I won't.

You're opinion on this matter was already stated when you posted a petition to bring the troops home. It's only fair to let others express their opinions as well.

[creditcardfree]

All troops are volunteers. Just something to keep in mind. Most of them are not complaining because it is their job. Of course, they would rather be home with their loved ones, but this is what they are trained for. As an army wife, I'd prefer the war was over so I don't have to say goodbye to my husband again, but I don't think the time is yet right to pull out. The job just isn't done and there are other strategies to pursue.

Pupart, I think it is fine that you posted the petition for those who want to sign. Our military protects the constitution and each persons right to speak freely.

[Ima saver]

gackle, I agree with you and no, I will not sign a petition. Lets keep all our troops in our hearts and in our prayers.

[ozzy gurl]

Originally Posted by creditcardfree

Pupart, I think it is fine that you posted the petition for those who want to sign. Our military protects the constitution and each persons right to speak freely.

Exactly!

[ozzy gurl]

Originally Posted by gackle

It looks inevitable that a democrat will be elected president in '08. I feel sorry for where our country is headed and pray that they will not turn a blind eye to the realities of our current world. God bless us all.

If you don't like where our country is headed, why don't you leave? I'm not being sarcastic. It's a quite serious question. I'm sick and tired of people saying that they hate where our country is going, if so-and-so is elected they are leaving, etcetera. If the state of our government is so horrible in your mind, then find a country where you feel more comfortable and where you don't have to feel sorry for the government. The point of living in America is that you don't have to like what is going on, but the founding fathers didn't exactly mean for everyone just to sit on their keisters and complain. They meant for people to actually do something if they don't like it...that's what our constitution and BOR is for.

And don't think that Democrats are the problems for all of America's woes. Pointing fingers solves nothing.

I'm also feeling very strongly about this topic right now due to a conversation held in one of my classes today, so if I offended anyone, I didn't mean to. But the great thing about this country? It doesn't matter if I offend you or not, because my opinion is just as valid as yours. I'm not right, I'm not wrong, and neither are you.

[gackle]

Originally Posted by ozzy gurl

I'm also feeling very strongly about this topic right now due to a conversation held in one of my classes today, so if I offended anyone, I didn't mean to.

You and me both I guess and rightly so. This is probably the most polarized topic in America the past few years. As far as I'm concerned you can get as passionate as you'd like as long as the debate does not disintegrate into baseless character assassinations. With that being said...

Originally Posted by ozzy gurl

If you don't like where our country is headed, why don't you leave? I'm not being sarcastic. It's a quite serious question. I'm sick and tired of people saying that they hate where our country is going, if so-and-so is elected they are leaving, etcetera.

Please tell me where I ever said this. I love our country and the soldiers fighting for it. They give Pupart the same right to petition that gives me the right to state my positions against that petition. It's ironic that you mention this though because the only people that I'm aware of that threaten to leave the country are left-leaning celebrities. As far as I'm concerned, it discredits them when they claim they're going to leave the country then never do it. Congrats to Pierre Salinger - he was the only one that ever followed through with his promise. Challenge for you, ozzy gurl - find me a conservative person who has threatened to live somewhere outside the country when a democratic president took office. On a side note, if you offered me land and a house on the southern island of New Zealand I just might take you up. The pictures I've seen from there look like heaven.

Originally Posted by ozzy gurl

The point of living in America is that you don't have to like what is going on, but the founding fathers didn't exactly mean for everyone just to sit on their keisters and complain. They meant for people to actually do something if they don't like it...that's what our constitution and BOR is for.
And don't think that Democrats are the problems for all of America's woes. Pointing fingers solves nothing.

You're right. When my republican governor of Texas, Rick Perry, recently issued an executive order mandating the new HPV Gardasil vaccine for all girls entering the sixth grade I called both my state rep and senator expressing my outrage as well as left a comment on the governor's comment line. I also asked my senator and rep what we need to do to impeach this republican as this is not the first time that he has really angered his base. In addition, I called a statewide talk show doing exactly what you suggested: people were complaining about the executive order so I called to exhort people to stop complaining, get organized, and do something about it. Perry campaigned for relection on the platform of being tough on border security then two weeks after he got reelected (no, I didn't vote for him) he said this:

He said the campaign rhetoric did not foster good relations with Mexico.
“Good neighbors do not foster fear and engage in divisive appeals,” he said. “They seek solutions.”
Perry said he is opposed to building a fence or wall along the entire border with Mexico.
“Strategic fencing in certain urban areas to direct the flow of traffic does make sense, but building a wall on the entire border is a preposterous idea,” he said.
“The only thing a wall would possibly accomplish is to help the ladder business.”
Perry said the federal government needs to quickly enact immigration reform, and he said he supports a guest-worker program that would bring illegal immigrants out of the shadows.

So the democrats aren't the only ones. So here's where you come in, ozzy gurl, because I'm at a loss. Please tell me what action I can take as a single person and citizen of the U.S. to help our soldiers win the war and get the hell outta there? I'd love to hear your suggestions.

Originally Posted by gackle

God bless us all.

When I wrote all, I meant all, including Pupart and ozzy gurl.

[bjl584]

All that I have to say about the whole thing is less General Discussion and more General Patton.

[tinapbeana]

Originally Posted by gackle

So the democrats aren't the only ones. So here's where you come in, ozzy gurl, because I'm at a loss. Please tell me what action I can take as a single person and citizen of the U.S. to help our soldiers win the war and get the hell outta there?

well, before they caught saddam there was this joke about a bunch of drunk hunters, a bass boat, and a long ocean voyage to iraq

and all, please take this comment with the levity and lightheartedness with which it was intended. this is in no way a besmirching of gackle in particular or anyone's views in general.