Busted on a bust

[Yoursavingcoach]

It just amazes me about people who are so concerned about the way they look that they go into debt $6,000 on a set of fake puppies and they think that will solve all of their problems.

Solve the real problem in your head and save the money. You're going to attract the wrong people into your life and you're going to hurt yourself financially at the same time.

There are good men out there who will love you for who you are and what you have.

Next time you look in the mirror, look up into your eyes and ask yourself what the real problem is. Tell the truth.

[Joan.of.the.Arch]

I had to give this about three seconds thought to even understand what you were talking about. Breasts. "Puppies?" Isn't that slang for feet?

I doubt anyone is checking into this forum looking for psychological advice related to breast enhancement surgery.

Interesting that you know it costs $6000 to do such a surgery. Did you look into it yourself thinking it would solve all your problems, but then looked into your own eyes and asked yourself what the problem was? Did you solve the real problem in your head?

I think you have formed your own stereotype of what people are thinking when they are planning cosmetic breast surgery. I doubt you really formed that stereotype through uncovering your own motives for breast enhancement, so I'm thinking you just prefer to hold yourself above those who would have the surgery. Why? Look into your eyes and ask yourself what the real problem is. Do you need to bolster your own self esteem by believing you are better than a segment of the female population whom you can dismiss as stupid enough to think that having bigger breasts solves all their problems?

If you really cared about the personal finances of women considering breast enhancement surgery, I do not think you would speak to them so smugly, pretending to be wiser than they are.

[ScrimpAndSave]

Thank you, Joan...coming from a successful, level-headed woman who had the surgery...


...and paid cash for it.

[GoodBuyGirl]

$6,000 to do an upgrade on the girls is a whole lot cheaper than what a new sports car cost for a man's mid life crisis.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

What's the difference between breasts, botox, face lift, lipo, etc?

Will I do it? Dunno. I won't answer because heck if I'm 45 and I feel I need a tummy tuck or something maybe I will.

Or getting braces, nose job, etc?

Looking good is a person's perogative. By the way my sister does Botox at 45 and on (she's a dermotologist no less so they do each other at the practice). She looks damn good and she feels good. My other SIL had a breast lift and I think she looks great! And they are both successful, loving, smart women.

[maat55]

Like many things, there are good reasons and bad reasons for the things we do. My wife had the surgery 10 years ago. Though I would always assured her that she was a 10 in my eye's, she wanted self assurance and to look good in her dresses. It has only inhanced our relationship.

I've heard of many couples going through divorce afterwards, I guess there were underlying problems associated.

We only paid 3800.

[pearlieq]

To be honest, though I'm not crazy about the way it's phrased, I think there is a kernel of truth to what the OP is saying.

I guess I don't get why women do it. And I do worry about their mental health. I'm not saying this applies to every woman, but to feel so unsatisfied with your body that you're willing to pay a lot of money and undergo the risks and pain of surgery to make a completely unnecessary change seems like a risk factor to me.

Most people are probably aware of the headline that women who get breast implants are more likely than the general population to commit suicide. This has been found and confirmed in multiple legitimate, peer-reviewed studies.

Again, I am NOT saying this applies to every woman, but I think it's significant. I don't know anyone who wakes up the morning and decides to have surgery for giggles. If there is no legitimate medical reason driving it, there has got to be a deep dissatisfaction and I think that should be addressed.

I feel kind of sorry for people who pursue truly "cosmetic" surgery. I'm not talking about reconstructive surgery--I completely understand why a woman might want to do breast reconstruction after a mastectomy, fix a cleft lip, or try to undo damage from an accident. But I do think it's kind of sad when perfectly healthy, normal people decide to have bags of saline stuffed in their chest, or botulism injected into their foreheads, or hunks of cartilige hacked off of their noses and chins. Why not just accept ourselves?

What's wrong with the way we're made naturally? A healthy body is beautiful, in any shape it comes in. I wish everyone could feel the peace, confidence, and satisfaction of that.

[rennigade]

Originally Posted by pearlieq

I guess I don't get why women do it. And I do worry about their mental health. I'm not saying this applies to every woman, but to feel so unsatisfied with your body that you're willing to pay a lot of money and undergo the risks and pain of surgery to make a completely unnecessary change seems like a risk factor to me.

Women do it...because they can. They have a right and they have a choice. It's as simple as that.

Why does my father wash his car 5 times a week? Because he can and because he wants his vehicle looking nice. There's nothing more to it. Do I sit around and say, boy my dads freakin crazy for washing his vehicle all the time...there must be something wrong upstairs with that guy.

The next time you see a woman buying an outfit, ask yourself if she's crazy or has low self esteem that she needs new clothes to make herself feel better. yea...this idea is as dumb as it sounds.

PS...I thank all the women who've had this surgery done.

[pearlieq]

No dispute that that women are free to do pretty much whatever they want with their bodies.

But are you seriously comparing washing a car or buying a new dress to paying thousands of dollars to be anesthetized, cut open, and having a bag of salt water stuffed into your chest cavity? Seriously?

[kimiko]

While I don't agree with the OP because there are many different situations out there. If this thread is a reflection of the reasoning that people have for cosmetic surgery, then beside medical conditions and accidents, it boils down to a few things.

1. People buy into the idea that a woman with small breasts isn't much of a woman.
2. The body is obviously not a temple.
3. Some people get their self assurance from their brain, skill, strength, and some get it from their look. Too bad look fades very quickly and artificial products inserted in the body eventually poison it.

Well, number 1 and 3 are pretty much the same. I'm quite disturbed by the reference to cars wash, new car for midlife crisis and fixing your body for the clothes instead of the other way around. But then, with the way technology is advancing, pretty soon, people will be able to order specific body parts that has been artificially grown to replace the ones they're unhappy with. Can you imagine a Frankenstein world?

If I'm to compare it to finance, it would be like a home equity credit line. Easier to draw on it than to save and easier to change the body than to accept it as it is.

[Anime reference for the enthusiastic: if you haven't watch Kaiba, I recommend it. It's a world where people change their bodies like their shirts.]

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by Yoursavingcoach

It just amazes me about people who are so concerned about the way they look that they go into debt $6,000 on a set of fake puppies and they think that will solve all of their problems.

Solve the real problem in your head and save the money. You're going to attract the wrong people into your life and you're going to hurt yourself financially at the same time.

There are good men out there who will love you for who you are and what you have.

Next time you look in the mirror, look up into your eyes and ask yourself what the real problem is. Tell the truth.

Mr guy man, why don't you tell her this? Love from afar? Let her know how you feel about her as she is.

External youth and beauty are fleeting; internal are not. Most woman don't come to terms with this until later. Unfortunately society today puts too much emphasis on externals.

[Johansen8]

Different strokes for different folks. Cosmetic surgery is a very personal decision. I would probably get a breast lift if my boobs wilted.

somebody's boobies are their own business

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by Joan.of.the.Arch

I had to give this about three seconds thought to even understand what you were talking about. Breasts. "Puppies?" Isn't that slang for feet?

I doubt anyone is checking into this forum looking for psychological advice related to breast enhancement surgery.

Interesting that you know it costs $6000 to do such a surgery. Did you look into it yourself thinking it would solve all your problems, but then looked into your own eyes and asked yourself what the problem was? Did you solve the real problem in your head?

I think you have formed your own stereotype of what people are thinking when they are planning cosmetic breast surgery. I doubt you really formed that stereotype through uncovering your own motives for breast enhancement, so I'm thinking you just prefer to hold yourself above those who would have the surgery. Why? Look into your eyes and ask yourself what the real problem is. Do you need to bolster your own self esteem by believing you are better than a segment of the female population whom you can dismiss as stupid enough to think that having bigger breasts solves all their problems?

If you really cared about the personal finances of women considering breast enhancement surgery, I do not think you would speak to them so smugly, pretending to be wiser than they are.

Some men like small, some like large. Not all people have the same dislikes and likes. Variety is the spice of life.

OP's message sounds like a worried and caring man who genuinely wants to understand why these things go though our minds. He may not think it worth it (frankly I don't think it's worth it for me either).

Unfortunately we have our ups and downs, and some men cannot directly say "I love you just the way you are." Or we cannot hear or agree with those words when they do come our way.

[rennigade]

Originally Posted by pearlieq

No dispute that that women are free to do pretty much whatever they want with their bodies.

But are you seriously comparing washing a car or buying a new dress to paying thousands of dollars to be anesthetized, cut open, and having a bag of salt water stuffed into your chest cavity? Seriously?

Please go back and read my original post. Money had nothing to do with my post. It's the narrow minded mentallity of people i was referring to. There's simply too many ignorant people. It's a shame in this day and age people are judged for EVERYTHING they do.

[pearlieq]

Originally Posted by rennigade

Please go back and read my original post. Money had nothing to do with my post. It's the narrow minded mentallity of people i was referring to. There's simply too many ignorant people. It's a shame in this day and age people are judged for EVERYTHING they do.

I went back and re-read what you said, but I guess I'm missing what you were trying to say. I thought you were trying to say that breast augmentation is a vanity, but no different than many of the other benign vanities we have in our lives (doting on a car, buying lots of clothes, etc.)

I was trying to say that while I agree we all have certain vanities, there's a scale from minor things like makeup to major things like expensive, risky surgery.

I don't think women should be censured for choosing to do a breast augmentation, but at the same time I worry about their mental health and cannot comprehend why they would. I do wish they could be happy with their body as it was made and I worry about creating a culture where women are applauded for, or even expected to, radically alter their natural state to appease some external standard of beauty.

But, as someone above wisely put it, someone else's breasts really aren't my business. I would have deep reservations about my daugther doing it, but if Jane down the block wants to have it done, that's her own affair.

[Ben Macdui]

I reckon there are some instances where getting a boob job could be regarded as a sound financial investment.

These could be -

1) Women working in modelling, acting, party hostesses or TV presenting where looks are seen as a prerequisite.

2) Sales or marketing staff who regularly go out to meet clients and enhance business relationships in male-dominated sectors like finance and IT.

3) Waitresses in chic and trendy city bars/restaurants who are looking to enhance their tips.

4) Musicians and aspiring pop singers looking to get into the spotlight.

In these cases, manipulative or Machiavellian as it may seem, they could be applauded for enhancing their salaries this way, and the boob jobs could more than pay for themselves over time.

[JeanneElle]

LOL (omg, sorry) I thought you were talking about purebred dogs. Ok, got it.

I think, like anything in life, that if you're doing it for the right reasons and you have your priorities in order, then no one should judge you.