Obama or McCain

[maat55]

The sites below are filed with statements and voting records.

Barack Obama on the Issues

John McCain on the Issues

[cschin4]

My choice would be neither.

[rooskers]

Lol you can always tell when it is election year by the emails you get. I got an email saying McCain

Wants to stay in Iraq for the next 100 years.
Is in favor of launching a new war in Iran using the reimplemented draft policy.
Plans to increase the national debt by 10,000%.
Lowers taxes for everyone across the board but at the same time not decrease spending (just adding it to national debt).

Both these emails are stupid and scare tatics by each side.

[Angio333]

I am not happy with either. McCain is far from being good, but he is light years ahead of B. Hussein Obama.

I would love to vote for the Libertarian candidate, Bob Barr. However, that would basically cause Obama to win. It would be just like Clinton beating Bush because Perot took too many votes from Bush.

[ScrimpAndSave]

Uh oh....here we go!

I would like McCain.

[sweeps]

Obama, for the win.

[m3racer]

Originally Posted by sweeps

Obama, for the win.

Sir, you are smoking crack.

[sweeps]

LOL. Sorry, but the last thing this country needs is a 3rd Bush term. Yikes.

[terry1156]

OK, I'm a bit disappointed in this thread. Come on people, using emails which everyone knows is partisan on both sides. I figured that this discussion would come, but thought it would be a little more mature from the people here. If we are going to discuss these two, let's use facts comparing the two from non partisan sources to compare and not emails. Can we at least agree on that?

Obama and McCain Tax Proposals

Obama and McCain Tax Proposals - washingtonpost.com

If you're going to throw out statements that one of the candidates supports something, link it to a news article or fact check since so much of what goes around is pure crap on both sides.

maat55 -- please provide links to all those claims you made about Obama
rooskers -- please do the same with claims about McCain

We would't tolerate someone throwing out statements like this about personal finances without backing so I think we should do the same with the discussion here - just my humble opinion.

[PrincessPerky]

neither.

[rooskers]

terry1156 you missed my posts whole point. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.

These emails are stupid scare tatics by each side.

I fully agree with you that factual information should be provided and not just "guess what guys according to this email Obama/McCain are going to do this". I put the email I received about McCain to contrast that of Obama to show how stupid both of them are.

My opinion is actually I like certain qualities and ideas from both Obama and McCain. The problem is, as usual, on other issues I don't like either of their stances. I continue as many people do to try and sift through all the crap to find out what the candidate really stands for. Not always easy however with all those "emails".

[MonkeyMama]

Oh boy...

It's just scary to me what people believe because "the e-mail said so."

Thank you Terry for adding some intelligence to this thread.

Carry on...

[sounderella]

I don't like either of them

[2moretrees]

I have to agree with Terry. When is the last time you got an email about financial information that you instantly took as the truth and passed it around to everyone? Shouldn't we all look at political emails (or any email for that matter) with the same scrutiny? Whenever I get an email telling me something, my first stop is Urban Legends Reference Pages - if it's political it's FactCheck.org

If you have a political preference, fine. But don't go spreading around the lies to do it. It's a shame that the political process has come to this and people think that is a better way of convincing people than the truth.

[myrdale]

Well I would have to imagine that email is complete and utter BS.

However Obama is wanting to give every family in the USA $1000 "Energy Rebate" that he would fund by taxing "Big Oil".

When I heard this it made me so angry I almost got sick. He is really saying "Vote for me and I will give you $1000!!" and if you read between the lines, he is saying "I want to make your money worthless ( aka inflation)" How $#(%* is that!

I am not the most economicly or politically minded person, but I believe this country has severally over extended itself. I think he needs to talk about fixing the economy, not buying votes.

[maat55]

GovWatch: didn't vote to raise taxes 94 times; at most 54. (Jul 2008)
I'm running against failed policy of profligate GOP spending. (May 2008)
I will raise CEO taxes, no doubt about it. (May 2008)
Under Bill Clinton, rich people didn't feel oppressed. (Apr 2008)
No tax increase if earning under $250K; tax cuts under $75K. (Apr 2008)
Raise capital gains tax for fairness, not for revenue. (Apr 2008)
Tax cut for seniors and those making $75,000 a year or less. (Feb 2008)
I'm not bashful about it: wealthy will pay more taxes. (Jan 2008)
Stimulus package: $500 tax cut, & Social Security supplement. (Jan 2008)
Restore progressive tax; close loopholes; relief to seniors. (Oct 2007)
Trillion dollar giveaway: the Paris Hilton Tax Break. (Oct 2007)
Reduce Bush tax cuts to pay for health care & other programs. (Jun 2007)
Estate tax only affects the wealthiest 1/2 of 1%. (Oct 2006)
Specific tax relief for families making $75,000 or less now. (Jan 2006)
Bush tax cuts help corporations but not middle class. (Jun 2004)
Tax incentives to create jobs at home instead of offshore. (Jun 2004)
Last thing we need now is a permanent tax cut. (Jan 2008)
Voted YES on increasing tax rate for people earning over $1 million. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on allowing AMT reduction without budget offset. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on raising the Death Tax exemption to $5M from $1M. (Feb 2008)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)
Rated 100% by the CTJ, indicating support of progressive taxation. (Dec 2006)

I found a website that is fair. It has good and bad and a lot of information. I'll be back with McCain.

Barack Obama on the Issues -

John McCain on the Issues

I don't think either are the best we can get, but having info can't hurt.

[JimInOK]

I'm undecided at this point.

If I was to vote my personal pocketbook, it would be Obama. My income range fares better under his plan than McCain's, though that's not true for everybody.

I'm also blessed with an excellent health insurance plan and my employer pays all of the premiums for it (Rural telecom industry, best benefits in the world). McCain's proposal to tax employer health benefits would impact my finances very negatively in this regard, even considering the credit he's proposed. The caveat is that we will still have a Democratic-controlled Congress, so McCain's healthcare plan has zero chance of seeing the light of day.

However, I try not to vote strictly my pocketbook.

My mind is completely open to both candidates at this point.

[zooracer]

I like McCain because of the democratic controlled congress. Hopefully this would lead us to a stalemate and NOTHING would get done.

This is the best we can all hope for when it comes to our federal govt.

This was truly the best thing about Clinton's two terms. Total gridlock....

[cptacek]

Originally Posted by zooracer

I like McCain because of the democratic controlled congress. Hopefully this would lead us to a stalemate and NOTHING would get done.

This is the best we can all hope for when it comes to our federal govt.

This was truly the best thing about Clinton's two terms. Total gridlock....

As sad as it is, I have said this before, too. I'm undecided between McCain and Bob Barr. Barr isn't a kook libertarian (sorry princess perky), was a republican but left because the republicans are spending too much. Kinda like me.

But, if Romney is the VP, I'll vote for McCain.

[genchan]

I really can't see how anyone who cares about their money can vote for McCain. Until we leave Iraq things will our economy are just going to get worse because we are spending so much money there. No matter what he says, if he is not willing to leave Iraq, none of the other things he proposes will work. In my mind, it's as simple as that.