Obama or McCain

[PauletteGoddard]

I would soonest vote for or financially support through campaign donations the candidate who is most in touch with reality and recognizes the need to shift spending to investment in energy independence, to rebuild the country's global status and stature (i.e. make amends for frittered goodwill) and to stave off complete economic collapse.

The next four years are going to be hard no matter who gets in, and I'd feel better if the resident of 1600 Pennsylvania had some reality-based solutions that don't involve authoritarianism nor bankrupting the nation.

[zooracer]

Originally Posted by LivingAlmostLarge

I think it more has to do with walking the walk. She preached abstinence and still does, yet it didn't even work in her "good moral family" household. Yet she adheres to the abstinence only policy. Planned Parenthood says this is an opportunity to open discourse on teen sexuality in this country. Something we hide from.

Second, her decision making as a mother shows poor judgement. She jumped on a plane after her water breaking to try and give birth in Alaska. I question her judgement. And her teen daughter is pregnant and unwed? I question her judgement. I don't question the pregnancy itself but Palin's decision making?

And I question John McCain's judgement in picking a woman so unstable. So lacking in judgement to be a VP. How can he be sure she's ready to step into a Commander in Chief role if he doubts Obama?

When interviewed yesterday Tucker Bound of McCain's camp could not give an example of Palin's decision making abilitys regarding national security or foreign policy. Instead he tried to attack Obama.

Obama has admitted a lack of experience. But he's running on a platform of change. That he's going to change the US.

I was listening to McCain when he said Obama was inexperienced. But he seriously made me doubt his judgement and question his senility with his VP choice.

Also McCain is a "maverick". He says he's in charge. Well if he's in charge and he wanted Lieberman as his running mate what happened? Where are his ethics and morals and standing by what he believes in?

Even other republicans won't come out and say Palin is the "best" choice. When interviewing some republican congressmen and questioned regarding Kay Baily Hutchinson and Susan Bailey they avoided the question. Meaning there were other choices people thought were better suited...

I'm sorry, but I have to ask you something...

Your obviously a devoted democrat, and would only vote for Obama...which I can certainly respect.

But, from the number and implied passion of your posts on Palin...I have to wonder, why do you care so much?

Why is it such an issue that the opposing side/party picked a VP that you do not approve of?

I mean, if this was such a BAD decision on the part of the Republicans...shouldnt you be....happy?

[jIM_Ohio]

I tend to lean towards republican and broad tax cuts- the washington post article is good, but in general I have heard Democrats have done some tax increases which affected too many people in the past.

Jimmy Carter was the last Democrat my late grandfather ever voted for and he said he did that once and NEVER again.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

If you read my posts McCain is one heartbeat away from death. 4x he's had cancer. What happens if it reoccurs and he's incapacitated? His VP pick is essential.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted Hillary. Obama is too moderate for me :P

So I wasn't keen on Obama to begin with. I felt him too young and honestly somewhat shady.

Like I said I was listening to McCain about his "inexperience" comments. I felt he was more experienced than Obama, especially with Obama not making firm statements about what he beleived in and wanted to do.

I would likely have been more swayed to McCain if he had picked someone like Lieberman or Romney. Something that showed his backbone in bucking his party.

That independence, which attracted independent voters, and Obama's inexperience would have done it for me. But instead he panders to the conservative base and in doing so I think made it impossible to even consider voting for him.

Now it's keeping McCain out rather than really supporting Obama. Before it was keeping Obama out.

[kork13]

Originally Posted by LivingAlmostLarge

If you read my posts McCain is one heartbeat away from death. 4x he's had cancer. What happens if it reoccurs and he's incapacitated?

As I mentioned once before, it's been a melanoma (skin cancer) 4 of 4 times he's had bouts of cancer. One is not 'incapacitated' while being treated for melanomas. It's removed, and you receive some preventative chemo. He's got doctors watching him so closely that if anything even began to arise, it would be dealt with immediately. The only reason melanomas have a 35% death rate is because most people ignore it for so long that it metasticises to other critical organs. Otherwise, melanomas are VERY easy to control. So again, the "he's had cancer 4 times" argument holds almost no water with me.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted Hillary. Obama is too moderate for me :P

Now that's just hilarious... hahahaha



Mostly unrelated, but i've realized something recently... all of this heated debate and campaigning is directed at a minority of the American population. Most people (i dunno a stat... i'd guess maybe 75% of people) are mostly pretty dedicated/loyal/decided on a certain party and/or candidate (so ~35% for each major party). All of the arguing, bickering, and mud-slinging is aimed solely at convincing the remaining 25% of the nation to back one candidate or another. So, for example, most of us are probably already decided (and probably have been for a while) on who we're voting for. This string, therefore, is just more mud-slinging to convince the elusive 25%.

i know.... truly an epiphany.... please excuse my minor political commentary and philosophicationalizing.

[zooracer]

Originally Posted by LivingAlmostLarge

If you read my posts McCain is one heartbeat away from death. 4x he's had cancer. What happens if it reoccurs and he's incapacitated? His VP pick is essential.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted Hillary. Obama is too moderate for me :P

So I wasn't keen on Obama to begin with. I felt him too young and honestly somewhat shady.

Like I said I was listening to McCain about his "inexperience" comments. I felt he was more experienced than Obama, especially with Obama not making firm statements about what he beleived in and wanted to do.

I would likely have been more swayed to McCain if he had picked someone like Lieberman or Romney. Something that showed his backbone in bucking his party.

That independence, which attracted independent voters, and Obama's inexperience would have done it for me. But instead he panders to the conservative base and in doing so I think made it impossible to even consider voting for him.

Now it's keeping McCain out rather than really supporting Obama. Before it was keeping Obama out.

So you are saying that Obama is too moderate for you?

Yet, you still would have considered McCain!?

I have to still wonder why this matters to you so much. I'm guessing you never would have voted for McCain if Obama is too moderate...

[jIM_Ohio]

Originally Posted by LivingAlmostLarge

If you read my posts McCain is one heartbeat away from death. 4x he's had cancer. What happens if it reoccurs and he's incapacitated? His VP pick is essential.

I didn't vote for Obama, I voted Hillary. Obama is too moderate for me :P

So I wasn't keen on Obama to begin with. I felt him too young and honestly somewhat shady.

Like I said I was listening to McCain about his "inexperience" comments. I felt he was more experienced than Obama, especially with Obama not making firm statements about what he beleived in and wanted to do.

I would likely have been more swayed to McCain if he had picked someone like Lieberman or Romney. Something that showed his backbone in bucking his party.

That independence, which attracted independent voters, and Obama's inexperience would have done it for me. But instead he panders to the conservative base and in doing so I think made it impossible to even consider voting for him.

Now it's keeping McCain out rather than really supporting Obama. Before it was keeping Obama out.

I am heartbeat away from death and do not consider a candidate's age if he is the one I trust with the important decisions. Reagan had some alzheimer's issues his second term and the country did not stop functioning. LBJ took over for Kennedy and the country kept moving along.

I actually think having a VP which is inexperienced helps in this case- because the VP would need to use the same advisors as McCain to prevent any hiccups so the policies would not change much if a presidential change was made mid term.

I vote based on how I think person would react in a 9/11 type situation. That is McCain without any doubt- I might like policies of one better than the other, but Congress has as much to do with policy as the President- with exception of budget- President tends to have control over that more than most other issues.

[feh]

Originally Posted by jIM_Ohio

I vote based on how I think person would react in a 9/11 type situation. That is McCain without any doubt- I might like policies of one better than the other, but Congress has as much to do with policy as the President- with exception of budget- President tends to have control over that more than most other issues.

I don't know why you would base your vote on a single issue, but that's another subject...

Please explain why you think McCain would be best in a "9/11 type situation".

[LivingAlmostLarge]

I don't really like Obama and would have voted mccain because of national security as well and experience.

Problem before Sarah Palin? It wasn't a vote for mccain so much as a vote not for obama. did you read my post? NOT for obama.

But now I can't bear the thought of McCain dying and Palin being in charge. No choice for abortions, no sex education, drilling all over the Alaska, no scientific research, no teaching of evolution.

Yep sounds promising. By the way during tonight's speech just now, Palin talked about 1 policy! ENERGY!

Do you know what she said? We need to get off of our dependence on foreign oil. To do this we need to drill Alaska, we have TONS of oil! I know this because I'm alaskan. We need to stop using foreign oil and use Domestic oil!

Gee, she can't talk any other topics because she doesn't know foreign policy, national security, or the economy. And apparently she thinks fossil fuels are unlimited as well. Also currently our top oil importer is Canada, not exactly that foreign, but oh well. Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries

Oh and her earlier statements about an all US oil pipeline? It's not exactly possible since Alaska doesn't join the 48 states. But then she said she meant to say with Canada's approval. Sigh.

[feh]

Originally Posted by LivingAlmostLarge

But now I can't bear the thought of McCain dying and Palin being in charge. No choice for abortions, no sex education, drilling all over the Alaska, no scientific research, no teaching of evolution.

The criminalization of abortion would take place regardless of the GOP VP selection, if McCain gets elected. Whether he would die in office or not, the next couple supreme court appointments would be very conservative.

I believe the same could be said for abstinence-only eduction, but I'm not positive (I'm not familiar with McCain's position on this issue). One of the things (there are many) that drive me crazy with regard to the current administration is the tax dollars that are spent on faith-based initiatives. Really makes my blood boil - government and religion are supposed to be separate.

[LivingAlmostLarge]

Actually if we keep a democratic Congress the picks could be forced to be more moderate. Depend though on who controls congress and by how much.

[zooracer]

Originally Posted by LivingAlmostLarge

I don't really like Obama and would have voted mccain because of national security as well and experience.

Problem before Sarah Palin? It wasn't a vote for mccain so much as a vote not for obama. did you read my post? NOT for obama.

But now I can't bear the thought of McCain dying and Palin being in charge. No choice for abortions, no sex education, drilling all over the Alaska, no scientific research, no teaching of evolution.

Yep sounds promising. By the way during tonight's speech just now, Palin talked about 1 policy! ENERGY!

Do you know what she said? We need to get off of our dependence on foreign oil. To do this we need to drill Alaska, we have TONS of oil! I know this because I'm alaskan. We need to stop using foreign oil and use Domestic oil!

Gee, she can't talk any other topics because she doesn't know foreign policy, national security, or the economy. And apparently she thinks fossil fuels are unlimited as well. Also currently our top oil importer is Canada, not exactly that foreign, but oh well. Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries

Oh and her earlier statements about an all US oil pipeline? It's not exactly possible since Alaska doesn't join the 48 states. But then she said she meant to say with Canada's approval. Sigh.

Well, now I have to ask...

Why not Obama?

I mean from what you have said on here, Obama is not really even an option for you.
You say that Hillary was your candidate. Hillary is a democrat. Obama is a democrat. They have lots in common...much more in common than not.

So, why was Obama SUCH a bad choice for you that you were going to actually cross over to voting Republican? There must be some BIG problems with Obama for you to do this...

The funny thing is, many republicans are voting for McCain only because they do not want Obama in office...not because they like McCain. But, just because they didnt get their candidate, like romney or huckabee, sure doesnt mean they are going to vote for Obama!?

Obama is completely opposite from what McCain believes in...

So, you might now understand why some people would wonder about your honesty here...

[LivingAlmostLarge]

I disliked his shadiness and felt he was very young. I still do. I didn't really care about McCain it was more like screw the democratic party after hillary didn't get the nod. Why not?

That I was going to write in her name.

Right now something I think might have been good for McCain is Ron Paul. He's getting a lot of independent voters, I don't agree with him but I think he's fresh and exciting and different.

[zooracer]

Originally Posted by LivingAlmostLarge

I disliked his shadiness and felt he was very young. I still do. I didn't really care about McCain it was more like screw the democratic party after hillary didn't get the nod. Why not?

That I was going to write in her name.

Right now something I think might have been good for McCain is Ron Paul. He's getting a lot of independent voters, I don't agree with him but I think he's fresh and exciting and different.

I like Ron Paul...but I think he will never have a chance. Too many barriers put up by the mainstream media and mainstream politicians.

I actually didnt mind the clinton years, as a mostly republican congress meant there was a lot of deadlock...so spending was curtailed...which I like.

I'm considering just writing in Paul or voting for the libertarian candidate...we'll see

[LivingAlmostLarge]

I felt that if McCain wanted to draw in disillusioned Hillary supporters and independent voters, he should have stuck to his guns and gone with Lieberman.

If he had picked someone like Ron Paul I would still have considered McCain a maverick, moderate free thinker!

But he goes and panders to the conservative right. Plus Obama isn't the best candidate. Like I said very young, no voting record, and shady.

It might have been easier for McCain to convince disillusioned voters he was more into change, more maverick and more experienced if he had gone for it.

Instead he caved and capitulated to the GOP.

[feh]

Originally Posted by LivingAlmostLarge

I disliked his shadiness and felt he was very young. I still do. I didn't really care about McCain it was more like screw the democratic party after hillary didn't get the nod. Why not?

Why not? Are you serious? You place so little value on your vote that you'd be willing to cast it out of spite?