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		<title>By: Boooh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boooh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! Come on nobody likes to pay taxes. No a honest person will say &quot; I am happy that I have to work hard for my money and I am  glad that a portion of every paycheck goes to the goverment&quot; Come on! when it comes to save money we all do what it takes to save money. Whether is to pay an illegal worker to cut our trees or get a haircut from someone working from home.

And whoever who is very concern about doing the right thing when it comes to pay taxes, let me tell you something. Where I lives immigration came and took all the illegal workers, approximately 500 workers. Now, the field employers are very concern because they have no employees to pick their strawberries, blackberries, blueberries, lettuce etc.... If you are interesting in helping or work for one of those employer the job is your they pay $7.50 hourly or less. It would be a great job for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh! Come on nobody likes to pay taxes. No a honest person will say &#8221; I am happy that I have to work hard for my money and I am  glad that a portion of every paycheck goes to the goverment&#8221; Come on! when it comes to save money we all do what it takes to save money. Whether is to pay an illegal worker to cut our trees or get a haircut from someone working from home.</p>
<p>And whoever who is very concern about doing the right thing when it comes to pay taxes, let me tell you something. Where I lives immigration came and took all the illegal workers, approximately 500 workers. Now, the field employers are very concern because they have no employees to pick their strawberries, blackberries, blueberries, lettuce etc&#8230;. If you are interesting in helping or work for one of those employer the job is your they pay $7.50 hourly or less. It would be a great job for you.</p>
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		<title>By: snowflake</title>
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		<dc:creator>snowflake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who are &quot;Mexicans?&quot;  Does that include the Spaniards who came from Europe and committed genocide against indigenous people from Southern California through South America, Puerto Rico, Cuba and more?
&quot;Mexican&quot; citizen man works for cash. Underreports his income. Unliscened contractor. Qualifies for Medi Cal insurance due to having kids and low income.Woman in the house is illegal alien.  Qualifies for Emergency Medical which is renewed every month.  Gets generous amount of food stamps in form of plastic EBT card she can swipe at expensive food stores, shrimp and steak, qualifies through the children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who are &#8220;Mexicans?&#8221;  Does that include the Spaniards who came from Europe and committed genocide against indigenous people from Southern California through South America, Puerto Rico, Cuba and more?<br />
&#8220;Mexican&#8221; citizen man works for cash. Underreports his income. Unliscened contractor. Qualifies for Medi Cal insurance due to having kids and low income.Woman in the house is illegal alien.  Qualifies for Emergency Medical which is renewed every month.  Gets generous amount of food stamps in form of plastic EBT card she can swipe at expensive food stores, shrimp and steak, qualifies through the children.</p>
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		<title>By: David G. Mitchell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David G. Mitchell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 03:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry -- The trees will remain in need of trimming until the next hurricane blows through my area and knocks down all of the brown fronds!  C&#039;est la vie!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry &#8212; The trees will remain in need of trimming until the next hurricane blows through my area and knocks down all of the brown fronds!  C&#8217;est la vie!</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Neri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry Neri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what did you do about the trees?</description>
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		<title>By: Native American</title>
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		<dc:creator>Native American</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 02:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OKAY, LET&#039;S TALK ABOUT RACE SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP.

First of all, I live in Phoenix, which is only a couple hours drive from Mexico. There are plenty of Mexicans looking for work here to help support their families back home and to try and give them a better life.
Have you all forgotten -ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME OF THE YEAR!- that this country was built upon foreigners coming to this country in attempt to find a better life?!?!
Unless YOU ARE A NATIVE AMERICAN like me, all of your ancestors came from some other country.
I find it ironic that it is only 2 days from Thanksgiving and most of you still have these ignorant feelings towards other people.
What are you celebrating this holiday for?!?! Just to eat, watch football or a parade?!?!
THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO HELP THEIR FAMILIES FOR GOD&#039;S SAKE!

Taxes? There has been taxes since Cesar&#039;s time. There will always be taxes. Don&#039;t worry- there are always plenty of things to be taxed! They&#039;ll always find something! They will get their money somehow.

Taking jobs away from American citizens? Listen, if it weren&#039;t for the Mexicans, who would clean the hotel toilets? Make the beds? Cook food? Landscape the yards? Dig ditches? Wash dishes? Bus tables? Wash cars? ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC.,
Americans won&#039;t work for minimum wage much less as a janitor or cleaning person, a gardener, a chef, a dishwasher, etc.

When the cable company came out to dig trenches for the cable lines, who was it that I saw digging in 120° heat? A white guy?! OH NO! HE WAS IN THE TRUCK WITH THE AIR CONDITIONING ON DRINKING A THIRSTBUSTER! It was a Mexican doing the digging.

When my neighbor&#039;s lawn needs to be mowed, do they, or their able-bodied children mow it? OH NO! THEY HIRE A MEXICAN TO DO IT! (grass in the desert still slays me, but when the water does finally run out, then they will weep...)

Who&#039;s doing the cooking at Panda&#039;s, my favorite Chinese take-away? MEXICANS!

Who&#039;s washing the pots and pans that they use in the kitchen? MEXICANS!

Who will be hanging the Christmas lights on my neighbors tri-level home? MEXICANS!

For God&#039;s sake, it&#039;s 2008, almost 2009, and YOU ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!

I guess it&#039;s a good thing that Americans NEVER cheat the government... OH NO. That&#039;s why there are healthy Americans on welfare, food stamps, WIC programs, disability, etc.

They have babies intentionally to raise their &quot;income.&quot; Then they spend it on crack!

They sell merchandise at swap meets &amp; flea markets on the sly, while they rake in money from the government.

And yes, they too, have come to my door and asked to trim my palms and hedges and to even paint my home and roof it. OH, but I guess you don&#039;t want to discuss that, do you?!?!

Should the American Indian start on the subject of how the white man came here, to his land, brought disease, raped their people, stole from them, tortured them, killed them, drove them from what was their land to land that is barren and waste where nothing can be grown or can thrive including the people?!?!

But, I shouldn&#039;t condemn you for your ignorance, after all, now that there are casinos on almost every reservation (or soon will be) , it&#039;s the pathetic people that are the ones that are throwing their money away... right into the Native America&#039;s pocket!!  LOL!

Oh and hey.... our way IS totally legal! LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OKAY, LET&#8217;S TALK ABOUT RACE SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP.</p>
<p>First of all, I live in Phoenix, which is only a couple hours drive from Mexico. There are plenty of Mexicans looking for work here to help support their families back home and to try and give them a better life.<br />
Have you all forgotten -ESPECIALLY DURING THIS TIME OF THE YEAR!- that this country was built upon foreigners coming to this country in attempt to find a better life?!?!<br />
Unless YOU ARE A NATIVE AMERICAN like me, all of your ancestors came from some other country.<br />
I find it ironic that it is only 2 days from Thanksgiving and most of you still have these ignorant feelings towards other people.<br />
What are you celebrating this holiday for?!?! Just to eat, watch football or a parade?!?!<br />
THESE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO HELP THEIR FAMILIES FOR GOD&#8217;S SAKE!</p>
<p>Taxes? There has been taxes since Cesar&#8217;s time. There will always be taxes. Don&#8217;t worry- there are always plenty of things to be taxed! They&#8217;ll always find something! They will get their money somehow.</p>
<p>Taking jobs away from American citizens? Listen, if it weren&#8217;t for the Mexicans, who would clean the hotel toilets? Make the beds? Cook food? Landscape the yards? Dig ditches? Wash dishes? Bus tables? Wash cars? ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC.,<br />
Americans won&#8217;t work for minimum wage much less as a janitor or cleaning person, a gardener, a chef, a dishwasher, etc.</p>
<p>When the cable company came out to dig trenches for the cable lines, who was it that I saw digging in 120° heat? A white guy?! OH NO! HE WAS IN THE TRUCK WITH THE AIR CONDITIONING ON DRINKING A THIRSTBUSTER! It was a Mexican doing the digging.</p>
<p>When my neighbor&#8217;s lawn needs to be mowed, do they, or their able-bodied children mow it? OH NO! THEY HIRE A MEXICAN TO DO IT! (grass in the desert still slays me, but when the water does finally run out, then they will weep&#8230;)</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s doing the cooking at Panda&#8217;s, my favorite Chinese take-away? MEXICANS!</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s washing the pots and pans that they use in the kitchen? MEXICANS!</p>
<p>Who will be hanging the Christmas lights on my neighbors tri-level home? MEXICANS!</p>
<p>For God&#8217;s sake, it&#8217;s 2008, almost 2009, and YOU ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS!!!</p>
<p>I guess it&#8217;s a good thing that Americans NEVER cheat the government&#8230; OH NO. That&#8217;s why there are healthy Americans on welfare, food stamps, WIC programs, disability, etc.</p>
<p>They have babies intentionally to raise their &#8220;income.&#8221; Then they spend it on crack!</p>
<p>They sell merchandise at swap meets &amp; flea markets on the sly, while they rake in money from the government.</p>
<p>And yes, they too, have come to my door and asked to trim my palms and hedges and to even paint my home and roof it. OH, but I guess you don&#8217;t want to discuss that, do you?!?!</p>
<p>Should the American Indian start on the subject of how the white man came here, to his land, brought disease, raped their people, stole from them, tortured them, killed them, drove them from what was their land to land that is barren and waste where nothing can be grown or can thrive including the people?!?!</p>
<p>But, I shouldn&#8217;t condemn you for your ignorance, after all, now that there are casinos on almost every reservation (or soon will be) , it&#8217;s the pathetic people that are the ones that are throwing their money away&#8230; right into the Native America&#8217;s pocket!!  LOL!</p>
<p>Oh and hey&#8230;. our way IS totally legal! LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree -- it&#039;s cheaper to pay professionals in the long run!  I&#039;ve needed branches trimmed off trees and, knowing a bit about how it should be done, the professionals did it right (with the least damage to the tree) while even my supposed landscapers (who obviously hadn&#039;t read the instruction manual) blew it.

Because of the insurance aspect, I hired professional movers to relocate some antique furniture from my mom&#039;s house to mine (when she died), rather than asking friends.  If the friends had dropped/broken the delicately carved, marble topped table, I couldn&#039;t have asked them to pay for a replacement, but I sure as heck could demand payment, if the insured moving company did!

Minimally I look for expertise, insurance and bonding -- it costs me less in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree &#8212; it&#8217;s cheaper to pay professionals in the long run!  I&#8217;ve needed branches trimmed off trees and, knowing a bit about how it should be done, the professionals did it right (with the least damage to the tree) while even my supposed landscapers (who obviously hadn&#8217;t read the instruction manual) blew it.</p>
<p>Because of the insurance aspect, I hired professional movers to relocate some antique furniture from my mom&#8217;s house to mine (when she died), rather than asking friends.  If the friends had dropped/broken the delicately carved, marble topped table, I couldn&#8217;t have asked them to pay for a replacement, but I sure as heck could demand payment, if the insured moving company did!</p>
<p>Minimally I look for expertise, insurance and bonding &#8212; it costs me less in the long run.</p>
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		<title>By: MoneyMateKate</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoneyMateKate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, I find that people who make this kind of argument resent that they don&#039;t have a little sideline or whatever that they can get away without paying taxes on. And right now, it would be VERY satisfying to not pay tax, considering where it&#039;s all going these days (you&#039;re welcome, Citibank).

So rather than dwelling on the illegal immigrant issue, here&#039;s something to consider...

Do you faithfully report and pay sales tax on all out-of-state internet/mail order purchases on your annual income tax return like you&#039;re supposed to? My CPA actually rolled his eyes when that one came out. Most people I know find this new tax obligation laughable, and either declare nothing or, like, a token $5. So if you don&#039;t, then aren&#039;t you cheating the system just as egregiously as if you had paid your lawncare guy under the table?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, I find that people who make this kind of argument resent that they don&#8217;t have a little sideline or whatever that they can get away without paying taxes on. And right now, it would be VERY satisfying to not pay tax, considering where it&#8217;s all going these days (you&#8217;re welcome, Citibank).</p>
<p>So rather than dwelling on the illegal immigrant issue, here&#8217;s something to consider&#8230;</p>
<p>Do you faithfully report and pay sales tax on all out-of-state internet/mail order purchases on your annual income tax return like you&#8217;re supposed to? My CPA actually rolled his eyes when that one came out. Most people I know find this new tax obligation laughable, and either declare nothing or, like, a token $5. So if you don&#8217;t, then aren&#8217;t you cheating the system just as egregiously as if you had paid your lawncare guy under the table?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the first post, for the most part.  If its a neighbor kid, or some guy in the neighborhood, the tax issue won&#039;t enter my mind.  Especially if I really need some help.  I consider it more of a gratuity than anything.

Or, if some normal looking guy catches me out in the yard and asks for work, I might just pay him to do something if looks like he needs the help.

If there are a lot of layoffs or other problems in my area, I&#039;m serving a much greater good by paying someone cash than forcing this person to jump through the hoops required for them to get public assistance.  A person who is willing and able to work should have the right to go out today and bring home money to pay bills or feed their family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the first post, for the most part.  If its a neighbor kid, or some guy in the neighborhood, the tax issue won&#8217;t enter my mind.  Especially if I really need some help.  I consider it more of a gratuity than anything.</p>
<p>Or, if some normal looking guy catches me out in the yard and asks for work, I might just pay him to do something if looks like he needs the help.</p>
<p>If there are a lot of layoffs or other problems in my area, I&#8217;m serving a much greater good by paying someone cash than forcing this person to jump through the hoops required for them to get public assistance.  A person who is willing and able to work should have the right to go out today and bring home money to pay bills or feed their family.</p>
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		<title>By: Traciatim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Traciatim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 18:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If someone specifically asks to work for cash with no record, at the very best you are aiding in tax fraud, at worst you are allowing illegal work to continue thus contributing to a problem of people stealing from your countries population.

The reason they are cheaper is because they don&#039;t need to carry insurance, don&#039;t need to worry about paying employees properly, don&#039;t need to worry about people taking legal action against them for overworking or underpaying.

Always say no to paying illegals, ask for a paper trail on every transaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If someone specifically asks to work for cash with no record, at the very best you are aiding in tax fraud, at worst you are allowing illegal work to continue thus contributing to a problem of people stealing from your countries population.</p>
<p>The reason they are cheaper is because they don&#8217;t need to carry insurance, don&#8217;t need to worry about paying employees properly, don&#8217;t need to worry about people taking legal action against them for overworking or underpaying.</p>
<p>Always say no to paying illegals, ask for a paper trail on every transaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I hire the kid next door to mow my lawn once in a while, or pay my daughter a few bucks to cut my hair, or offer a little money to an out-of-work friend in exchange for some work done on my car, I don&#039;t see anything wrong with it.

The line gets a little blurry, though, when someone is claiming or behaving as if they operate a business, but still insist on under-the-table payment.  On the one hand, it smells a little fishy.

On the other hand, the IRS has a limit (albeit a low one) on how much a person can make via self-employment before it must be reported and taxed.  Who am I to question whether someone I&#039;m hiring is at or beyond that level?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I hire the kid next door to mow my lawn once in a while, or pay my daughter a few bucks to cut my hair, or offer a little money to an out-of-work friend in exchange for some work done on my car, I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with it.</p>
<p>The line gets a little blurry, though, when someone is claiming or behaving as if they operate a business, but still insist on under-the-table payment.  On the one hand, it smells a little fishy.</p>
<p>On the other hand, the IRS has a limit (albeit a low one) on how much a person can make via self-employment before it must be reported and taxed.  Who am I to question whether someone I&#8217;m hiring is at or beyond that level?</p>
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