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		<title>By: ThiNg</title>
		<link>http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2008/09/18/102629_throw-out-the-budget.html/comment-page-1#comment-443105</link>
		<dc:creator>ThiNg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can sort of agree with the article. The author is trying to use a sensationalist headline to grab attention (and it seems to be working), but a lot of people are missing the main point: Trying to predict budget categories can be a confusing and time consuming act and more often than not, the amounts will be wrong. I also think that this is the main stumbling block for people who are new to controlling spending.

There was a budget system that was quite big in the news a couple of years back, called the 60/40 budget. I use a modified/customised version of that method and it has freed my financial life. 

I used to use the envelope method and keep all of my receipts and audit everything monthly. I spent hours each month reconciling all of the items and making sure everything was under control (I still have boxes of receipts - shudder). I got caught up in the categories and details and lost site of the big picture. Living my life!

The 60/40 budget says that your total household expenditure has to be 60% or less of your take home pay (ouch!). But you need to take care of the 40% first, 10% into Retirement, 10% Long Terms savings (House, car, etc.), 10% short term savings (emergency fund), and 10% discretionary spending. You pay yourself (40%) first. Never try to save what&#039;s left at the end of the month, if you&#039;re like me, there won&#039;t be anything.

The 60% becomes one giant category. It doesn&#039;t matter where I spend the money as long as the total never breaks 60%. I can spend every single penny if I want to, because all of my savings are taken care of. There&#039;s an added twist if you have debt to payback, but once you are debt free it really is that simple. Spend too much on gas? cut back on eating out. Spend too much on cable TV? skip a trip to the mall or cut back on a hobby. Once you shed yourself of the categories, you feel better because you no longer have to punish yourself for &#039;guessing&#039; wrong at the beginning of the month.

I do budget, I need to budget, but I don&#039;t use categories and sub-categories and miscellaneous categories etc. So I can kind of agree with what the author said...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can sort of agree with the article. The author is trying to use a sensationalist headline to grab attention (and it seems to be working), but a lot of people are missing the main point: Trying to predict budget categories can be a confusing and time consuming act and more often than not, the amounts will be wrong. I also think that this is the main stumbling block for people who are new to controlling spending.</p>
<p>There was a budget system that was quite big in the news a couple of years back, called the 60/40 budget. I use a modified/customised version of that method and it has freed my financial life. </p>
<p>I used to use the envelope method and keep all of my receipts and audit everything monthly. I spent hours each month reconciling all of the items and making sure everything was under control (I still have boxes of receipts &#8211; shudder). I got caught up in the categories and details and lost site of the big picture. Living my life!</p>
<p>The 60/40 budget says that your total household expenditure has to be 60% or less of your take home pay (ouch!). But you need to take care of the 40% first, 10% into Retirement, 10% Long Terms savings (House, car, etc.), 10% short term savings (emergency fund), and 10% discretionary spending. You pay yourself (40%) first. Never try to save what&#8217;s left at the end of the month, if you&#8217;re like me, there won&#8217;t be anything.</p>
<p>The 60% becomes one giant category. It doesn&#8217;t matter where I spend the money as long as the total never breaks 60%. I can spend every single penny if I want to, because all of my savings are taken care of. There&#8217;s an added twist if you have debt to payback, but once you are debt free it really is that simple. Spend too much on gas? cut back on eating out. Spend too much on cable TV? skip a trip to the mall or cut back on a hobby. Once you shed yourself of the categories, you feel better because you no longer have to punish yourself for &#8216;guessing&#8217; wrong at the beginning of the month.</p>
<p>I do budget, I need to budget, but I don&#8217;t use categories and sub-categories and miscellaneous categories etc. So I can kind of agree with what the author said&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bimmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bimmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 15:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disagree.  A budget has been fantastic for us.  We tracked expenses for two months to get a feeling for where we were spending money.  We then setup a budget.  On the variable categories (particulary wants like eating out, clothing, kids toys), we really try to not hit the limit.  In fact, its kind of game/challenge for us.  We also adjust the budget monthly if we know we have certain expenses coming up (ie we will reduce eating out and entertainment allowance and bump up whatever needs extra money for the month.  We always come in under budget, except when unforseen repair/replacement things happen (broken oven, car problem, etc).  Those are taken care of with the previously accumulated savings of staying under budget.

Budgeting has allowed us to understand our spending, let us lead a balanced life (we can save, invest, yet still do things to make life enjoyable in the present), let us plan ahead for financial issues, and so on.  

To each their own, I guess.  The best advice is to do whatever works for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree.  A budget has been fantastic for us.  We tracked expenses for two months to get a feeling for where we were spending money.  We then setup a budget.  On the variable categories (particulary wants like eating out, clothing, kids toys), we really try to not hit the limit.  In fact, its kind of game/challenge for us.  We also adjust the budget monthly if we know we have certain expenses coming up (ie we will reduce eating out and entertainment allowance and bump up whatever needs extra money for the month.  We always come in under budget, except when unforseen repair/replacement things happen (broken oven, car problem, etc).  Those are taken care of with the previously accumulated savings of staying under budget.</p>
<p>Budgeting has allowed us to understand our spending, let us lead a balanced life (we can save, invest, yet still do things to make life enjoyable in the present), let us plan ahead for financial issues, and so on.  </p>
<p>To each their own, I guess.  The best advice is to do whatever works for you.</p>
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		<title>By: VanSkalen</title>
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		<dc:creator>VanSkalen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2008 22:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you in todays world with so many options for tracking your money in real-time. Uses a service like mint.com, or just your online banking service makes it very easy to see available vs spent cash.

I wouldn&#039;t disregard budgeting in general however... it&#039;s still a great tool and one that will work better than just tracking your spendings for some people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you in todays world with so many options for tracking your money in real-time. Uses a service like mint.com, or just your online banking service makes it very easy to see available vs spent cash.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t disregard budgeting in general however&#8230; it&#8217;s still a great tool and one that will work better than just tracking your spendings for some people.</p>
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		<title>By: VIJAI</title>
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		<dc:creator>VIJAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 17:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like many others I also disagree but it depends on each individual&#039;s perception. What works for one won&#039;t work for others. 

But Budgeting is a great tool manage your personal finance and expense trackign is a part of it and should be part of it. Just expense tracking won&#039;t do much good. You have to know how much is coming in to your pocket, how much you can spend and how much you can save. Budgeting helps you do that..

VIJAI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many others I also disagree but it depends on each individual&#8217;s perception. What works for one won&#8217;t work for others. </p>
<p>But Budgeting is a great tool manage your personal finance and expense trackign is a part of it and should be part of it. Just expense tracking won&#8217;t do much good. You have to know how much is coming in to your pocket, how much you can spend and how much you can save. Budgeting helps you do that..</p>
<p>VIJAI</p>
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		<title>By: t</title>
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		<dc:creator>t</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once I&#039;ve decided to put a certain amount of money aside each month, I use a budget to guide my spending and to have a good idea of how much discretionary funds I&#039;ll have.  I plan on doing more budget tracking in the future, but for now I just use an excel file to estimate my average costs for each month at the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once I&#8217;ve decided to put a certain amount of money aside each month, I use a budget to guide my spending and to have a good idea of how much discretionary funds I&#8217;ll have.  I plan on doing more budget tracking in the future, but for now I just use an excel file to estimate my average costs for each month at the beginning.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 17:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tracking spending never worked for me. It never controlled my spending... even when I tracked it in real time. Budgetting is the only thing that has helped me spend less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tracking spending never worked for me. It never controlled my spending&#8230; even when I tracked it in real time. Budgetting is the only thing that has helped me spend less.</p>
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		<title>By: A Marino</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Marino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By tracking your expenses you learn how you are spending your money so that you can use it as a tool to cut down in areas that you are overspending.  After tracking your expenses, you can set up your budget.  My budget tells me everything I need to know about my finances.  

As for having money left over after a month in a category say clothing; you can transfer that money over to a savings account and put it in a clothing category.  You may not have bought any clothes this month, but you may need to spend more money in the next two or three months and the money is there.

I also have a category for a catch all that I allocate each month.  I pay out all of the bills and then I allocate money to items that could fall into a miscellaneous category.  It could be purchasing photo prints, purchasing stamps, stationary,etc.  Your electricity bill may have been higher and you have the money to cover it.  

Budgets free you to direct how your money will be spent not the other way around.  I find budgets freeing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By tracking your expenses you learn how you are spending your money so that you can use it as a tool to cut down in areas that you are overspending.  After tracking your expenses, you can set up your budget.  My budget tells me everything I need to know about my finances.  </p>
<p>As for having money left over after a month in a category say clothing; you can transfer that money over to a savings account and put it in a clothing category.  You may not have bought any clothes this month, but you may need to spend more money in the next two or three months and the money is there.</p>
<p>I also have a category for a catch all that I allocate each month.  I pay out all of the bills and then I allocate money to items that could fall into a miscellaneous category.  It could be purchasing photo prints, purchasing stamps, stationary,etc.  Your electricity bill may have been higher and you have the money to cover it.  </p>
<p>Budgets free you to direct how your money will be spent not the other way around.  I find budgets freeing.</p>
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		<title>By: Ceejay74</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ceejay74</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Budgeting saved my family. Before, we were spending almost $1000 more than we made each month. Trying to rein in spending didn&#039;t work, because so many things were automatic for us in this consumer society. Budgeting helped us make choices and keep our discretionary spending under control. We all wish we could have more things and money, so I know if I relaxed the budget categories we would gradually lapse back into overspending, and be out of money by the end of each month.

Some people are naturally frugal. Others need some structure. I need the structure.

Oh, and we put 5% of pretax income away automatically, and put 36% of post-tax income toward debt repayment (not counting mortgage payments). So the disciplined budget is helping us reduce our debt dramatically while still saving a tiny bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Budgeting saved my family. Before, we were spending almost $1000 more than we made each month. Trying to rein in spending didn&#8217;t work, because so many things were automatic for us in this consumer society. Budgeting helped us make choices and keep our discretionary spending under control. We all wish we could have more things and money, so I know if I relaxed the budget categories we would gradually lapse back into overspending, and be out of money by the end of each month.</p>
<p>Some people are naturally frugal. Others need some structure. I need the structure.</p>
<p>Oh, and we put 5% of pretax income away automatically, and put 36% of post-tax income toward debt repayment (not counting mortgage payments). So the disciplined budget is helping us reduce our debt dramatically while still saving a tiny bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree.  Tracking your expenses to try to save money is like opening the barn door and then trying to saddle the horse.  

A good budget includes an &quot;emergency fund&quot; to cover unexpected overages.  You know how much you&#039;ll spend on groceries and gas, and you can always put in a category for &quot;car repairs.&quot;  If a car repair comes up that is over the amount you have saved in that budget category, you dip into the emergency fund.

Budgeting tells your money where to go, putting you on a written plan. &quot;You happen to your money, instead of your money happening to you&quot; as someone once taught me.  

Of course, what do I know.  My wife and I only live on half our income, saving the other half for a full 20% downpayment on a house.  We&#039;ll actually have close to 40%, plus a 6 month emergency fund, when we&#039;re ready to buy.  But if you think budgeting doesn&#039;t work, more power to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  Tracking your expenses to try to save money is like opening the barn door and then trying to saddle the horse.  </p>
<p>A good budget includes an &#8220;emergency fund&#8221; to cover unexpected overages.  You know how much you&#8217;ll spend on groceries and gas, and you can always put in a category for &#8220;car repairs.&#8221;  If a car repair comes up that is over the amount you have saved in that budget category, you dip into the emergency fund.</p>
<p>Budgeting tells your money where to go, putting you on a written plan. &#8220;You happen to your money, instead of your money happening to you&#8221; as someone once taught me.  </p>
<p>Of course, what do I know.  My wife and I only live on half our income, saving the other half for a full 20% downpayment on a house.  We&#8217;ll actually have close to 40%, plus a 6 month emergency fund, when we&#8217;re ready to buy.  But if you think budgeting doesn&#8217;t work, more power to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree.  I&#039;ve tried just tracking what I spend, which was eye-opening, but did not help me to NOT spend. 

For me, the only way to keep control of my spending is to both track it to the penny and to budget our money carefully.  I use a computer version of the envelope system and zero-balance budgeting.

If your method works the best for you, that&#039;s great.  My method is the only one that has worked well for me so far and I plan to stick with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree.  I&#8217;ve tried just tracking what I spend, which was eye-opening, but did not help me to NOT spend. </p>
<p>For me, the only way to keep control of my spending is to both track it to the penny and to budget our money carefully.  I use a computer version of the envelope system and zero-balance budgeting.</p>
<p>If your method works the best for you, that&#8217;s great.  My method is the only one that has worked well for me so far and I plan to stick with it.</p>
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