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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://www.savingadvice.com/blog/2008/07/08/102184_compassion-vs-commerce.html#comment-359975</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly understand both sides of the issue as we run a small on-line business. If I'm notified immediately about a problem, I'm compassionate. If 3-4 weeks have taken place and the person hasn't fulfilled their commitment (to pay) and then starts with the, I have a blood clot, I had to go to the ER, etc. I loose my compassion real fast. Current medical problems don't compensate for not having taken care of a financial commitment 3 weeks previously. I have had customers send letters with pictures attached of their ER namebands, and letter itself would have taken a minimum of 2 hours to compose--but it all boils down to I can't pay you because I don't have time because I had to go to the ER and then write you this long letter telling you why I don't have a free minute to go to Paypal and pay you what I owe you.

I'm chronically ill. I understand and am full of compassion, but too many people are out there trying to take advantage of businesses and so I can understand the fact that most businesses can't be 'compassionate'. Unfortunately more signs of how our society is degrading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly understand both sides of the issue as we run a small on-line business. If I&#8217;m notified immediately about a problem, I&#8217;m compassionate. If 3-4 weeks have taken place and the person hasn&#8217;t fulfilled their commitment (to pay) and then starts with the, I have a blood clot, I had to go to the ER, etc. I loose my compassion real fast. Current medical problems don&#8217;t compensate for not having taken care of a financial commitment 3 weeks previously. I have had customers send letters with pictures attached of their ER namebands, and letter itself would have taken a minimum of 2 hours to compose&#8211;but it all boils down to I can&#8217;t pay you because I don&#8217;t have time because I had to go to the ER and then write you this long letter telling you why I don&#8217;t have a free minute to go to Paypal and pay you what I owe you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m chronically ill. I understand and am full of compassion, but too many people are out there trying to take advantage of businesses and so I can understand the fact that most businesses can&#8217;t be &#8216;compassionate&#8217;. Unfortunately more signs of how our society is degrading.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanj</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sanj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Gatsby has it correct. I run a small business, locally owned and I have to hold people to their deposits. I only have the resources to provide service to one customer at a time (and I prefer that personal 100&#38; attention, don't you?), if someone calls and books me for a given date - I gurantee that I WILL show up and that I won't cancel. Now if someone else calls me and asks for the same date, I will (and have) politley decline and ask them to select a date where I have time available - but in some cases - I lose the business because I cannot meet the customers demands. Now if you call and cancel that date, and I have already turned down one (sometimes multiple) other customers - you are costing me money. If keep your deposit or fees is that not fair? Your deposit is your guarantee that you will be participating. My reputation is my guarantee that I will be participating. If you don't show, I can't 'GO PUBLIC' and name and shame the client can I?

It's not just big faceless corporations out there - the ones who really suffer are the small businesses where one lost sale can mean no income for that week...

If you are worried about things happening outside of your control - then insurance is the best thing you can do for yourself and the merchant - insurance companies make big money to assume that risk.

I can't afford to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Gatsby has it correct. I run a small business, locally owned and I have to hold people to their deposits. I only have the resources to provide service to one customer at a time (and I prefer that personal 100&amp; attention, don&#8217;t you?), if someone calls and books me for a given date - I gurantee that I WILL show up and that I won&#8217;t cancel. Now if someone else calls me and asks for the same date, I will (and have) politley decline and ask them to select a date where I have time available - but in some cases - I lose the business because I cannot meet the customers demands. Now if you call and cancel that date, and I have already turned down one (sometimes multiple) other customers - you are costing me money. If keep your deposit or fees is that not fair? Your deposit is your guarantee that you will be participating. My reputation is my guarantee that I will be participating. If you don&#8217;t show, I can&#8217;t &#8216;GO PUBLIC&#8217; and name and shame the client can I?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just big faceless corporations out there - the ones who really suffer are the small businesses where one lost sale can mean no income for that week&#8230;</p>
<p>If you are worried about things happening outside of your control - then insurance is the best thing you can do for yourself and the merchant - insurance companies make big money to assume that risk.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t afford to.</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Villarreal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sally Villarreal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 05:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the biggest problem is how big the companies are. Their hands are probably tied by management that may not exist in the same state. 

I worked in retail, and there is a paper trail for everything. Sometimes computers leave you locked in. Everything is accountable to some entity you don't even know.

I'd be willing to bet the people you spoke with wanted to provide a refund, but didn't have the power to do it. 

It's all part of the curse of big business. You get lower prices, but there is always a cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest problem is how big the companies are. Their hands are probably tied by management that may not exist in the same state. </p>
<p>I worked in retail, and there is a paper trail for everything. Sometimes computers leave you locked in. Everything is accountable to some entity you don&#8217;t even know.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be willing to bet the people you spoke with wanted to provide a refund, but didn&#8217;t have the power to do it. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all part of the curse of big business. You get lower prices, but there is always a cost.</p>
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		<title>By: baselle</title>
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		<dc:creator>baselle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 03:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its yet another reason why if you can shop locally or get your services locally, that loyalty can be quite frugal. There's really no such thing as a local airline, but if you establish a relationship with your seller - be a regular - you have a little extra flexiblity.

For example, I often eat at a particular restaurant often enough that when I lost my wallet ... that's okay, next time. Next time I paid.

Remember in the Millionaire Next Door, more than likely said millionaire ran a business, and established a personal relationship with other business owners. The roofer knew the exterminator knew the car salesman knew the insurance guy. They established links, gave each other business, knew each other's character and often would give each other that leeway.

Things happen - everyone knows that. But if you are one consumer with money blinking in and out, its hard to pick out the unfortunate from the fraud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its yet another reason why if you can shop locally or get your services locally, that loyalty can be quite frugal. There&#8217;s really no such thing as a local airline, but if you establish a relationship with your seller - be a regular - you have a little extra flexiblity.</p>
<p>For example, I often eat at a particular restaurant often enough that when I lost my wallet &#8230; that&#8217;s okay, next time. Next time I paid.</p>
<p>Remember in the Millionaire Next Door, more than likely said millionaire ran a business, and established a personal relationship with other business owners. The roofer knew the exterminator knew the car salesman knew the insurance guy. They established links, gave each other business, knew each other&#8217;s character and often would give each other that leeway.</p>
<p>Things happen - everyone knows that. But if you are one consumer with money blinking in and out, its hard to pick out the unfortunate from the fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: consumer_q</title>
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		<dc:creator>consumer_q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 23:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Unfortunately, it seems that the world of commerce today has little room for compassion."

I think Jodi's example illustrates why going for the cheapest is not always the best "deal". A B&#38;B is no beholden to strict company policy like a Hilton or Mariott. As for personal examplesm my credit union has waved VISA late fees on two occasions now when I was on a trip and the cheque was forgotten.  I have returned new goods beyond the 30-day policy at various small retailers without penalty. Even with large corps, such as airlines, thre is flexibility so long as you pay full price. It is when you get a "deal" that the perks are often lost. Good service is worth sacrificing any small monetary benefit to me in many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unfortunately, it seems that the world of commerce today has little room for compassion.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think Jodi&#8217;s example illustrates why going for the cheapest is not always the best &#8220;deal&#8221;. A B&amp;B is no beholden to strict company policy like a Hilton or Mariott. As for personal examplesm my credit union has waved VISA late fees on two occasions now when I was on a trip and the cheque was forgotten.  I have returned new goods beyond the 30-day policy at various small retailers without penalty. Even with large corps, such as airlines, thre is flexibility so long as you pay full price. It is when you get a &#8220;deal&#8221; that the perks are often lost. Good service is worth sacrificing any small monetary benefit to me in many ways.</p>
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		<title>By: s cox</title>
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		<dc:creator>s cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cheapest flights and hotel rooms these days are sold on nonchangeble tickets. You can pay extra to have tickets and reservations that are flexible.
Your friend bought non changeable, nonrefundable tickets and then wanted to change them. The reason why she wanted to do that are really irrelevant. People die, people get sick, that's life, but that does not change a nonchangeable ticket to a flexible one.
I work in a box office and every single time we sell a ticket we are told to say "This is a final sale, there are no refunds or exchanges".  Those are the terms and conditions of the sale, and if they are unacceptable, you should not make the purchase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cheapest flights and hotel rooms these days are sold on nonchangeble tickets. You can pay extra to have tickets and reservations that are flexible.<br />
Your friend bought non changeable, nonrefundable tickets and then wanted to change them. The reason why she wanted to do that are really irrelevant. People die, people get sick, that&#8217;s life, but that does not change a nonchangeable ticket to a flexible one.<br />
I work in a box office and every single time we sell a ticket we are told to say &#8220;This is a final sale, there are no refunds or exchanges&#8221;.  Those are the terms and conditions of the sale, and if they are unacceptable, you should not make the purchase.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Gatsby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Gatsby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a legal concept called "expectation damages" that underlies a merchant's refusal to reschedule.  For example, I sign a contract to buy a car.  I later change my mind and decide not to buy the car, in breach of the contract I signed.  The dealer is able to resell the car (possibly for more than I would have paid).  Most people would say the dealer suffered no damages.  Yet the dealer did, in that assuming it had stock on hand, it would have sold two cars instead of one.  Accordingly, the dealer would be entitled to sue me for the profit it lost when I did not buy a car.

The same analysis applies to vacations.  Tickets for hotels are essentially short-term leasehold interests for a specific time frame.  If I attempt to move my reservation from one date to another, then I'm costing the hotel a sale.  This is why hotels have 72 hour deadlines to change or cancel reservations.  They know that they will be unable to rent your room past a certain date.

The bottom line is that a hotel is in business to make money, and must protect itself against risks that are not its own (or of its own making).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a legal concept called &#8220;expectation damages&#8221; that underlies a merchant&#8217;s refusal to reschedule.  For example, I sign a contract to buy a car.  I later change my mind and decide not to buy the car, in breach of the contract I signed.  The dealer is able to resell the car (possibly for more than I would have paid).  Most people would say the dealer suffered no damages.  Yet the dealer did, in that assuming it had stock on hand, it would have sold two cars instead of one.  Accordingly, the dealer would be entitled to sue me for the profit it lost when I did not buy a car.</p>
<p>The same analysis applies to vacations.  Tickets for hotels are essentially short-term leasehold interests for a specific time frame.  If I attempt to move my reservation from one date to another, then I&#8217;m costing the hotel a sale.  This is why hotels have 72 hour deadlines to change or cancel reservations.  They know that they will be unable to rent your room past a certain date.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that a hotel is in business to make money, and must protect itself against risks that are not its own (or of its own making).</p>
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		<title>By: Liz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the one hand, it would be nice if there was more compassion in the world.  Goodness knows, losing a loved one is tough.  I've been there on far too many occasions.  And yes, company representatives can be very callous.    

However, I don't expect companies to go, "Oh, I'm so sorry about your loss!  Take our money!"  And the fact is, once you buy something, it is their money, not yours.

Sure, sometimes things can be resold and so the company isn't completely out, but that doesn't mean that companies should always refund our money.  In the U.S. we've been spoiled by good (and even great) return policies enough that we expect them -- or even think that we are entitled to them.  As a society, we've chosen low cost over good service too many times, even if it's often out of personal necessity.  

So, buy travel insurance, or better yet, only buy tickets from companies that still have a heart -- if you can find them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand, it would be nice if there was more compassion in the world.  Goodness knows, losing a loved one is tough.  I&#8217;ve been there on far too many occasions.  And yes, company representatives can be very callous.    </p>
<p>However, I don&#8217;t expect companies to go, &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;m so sorry about your loss!  Take our money!&#8221;  And the fact is, once you buy something, it is their money, not yours.</p>
<p>Sure, sometimes things can be resold and so the company isn&#8217;t completely out, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that companies should always refund our money.  In the U.S. we&#8217;ve been spoiled by good (and even great) return policies enough that we expect them &#8212; or even think that we are entitled to them.  As a society, we&#8217;ve chosen low cost over good service too many times, even if it&#8217;s often out of personal necessity.  </p>
<p>So, buy travel insurance, or better yet, only buy tickets from companies that still have a heart &#8212; if you can find them.</p>
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		<title>By: Marissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the case of airlines, I know policy states that you can change your travel dates on a restricted ticket if you were sick (or had to be operated) on the date you were supposed to travel. At least there was a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case of airlines, I know policy states that you can change your travel dates on a restricted ticket if you were sick (or had to be operated) on the date you were supposed to travel. At least there was a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that offering proof should bring some compassion. My husband used to work collections and eventually lost the compassion he used to have for some of the tough situations because people would lie to him all the time.  (In one case, a man said he had to care for his seriously ill mother, and my husband later learned that said mother had died several years earlier.)

For those with true emergencies, however, companies would benefit financially by bending the rules a bit and showing compassion -- for the very reason Jodi just pointed out.  No one wants to patronize companies that have treated their friends badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that offering proof should bring some compassion. My husband used to work collections and eventually lost the compassion he used to have for some of the tough situations because people would lie to him all the time.  (In one case, a man said he had to care for his seriously ill mother, and my husband later learned that said mother had died several years earlier.)</p>
<p>For those with true emergencies, however, companies would benefit financially by bending the rules a bit and showing compassion &#8212; for the very reason Jodi just pointed out.  No one wants to patronize companies that have treated their friends badly.</p>
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